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    51 27.42%
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    84 45.16%
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    38 20.43%
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I say sign him up. Let the games begin.
    For once we are of a mind. Let this election be an actual choice between competing worldviews.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Not being a popular politician from a battleground state, I don't think he will help tHat much but he won't hurt either, which is good. If Jeb Bush wasnt agreeable, would ave been my choice too.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Keep working on those excuse-making skills. You'll need 'em more than ever on November 7th.
    You need to keep working on coming up with a real FACT now and then and not cutesy little empty rhetoric...and make sure you have your tissues out on nov 7th

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    In terms of consistency and alignment to the mission of turning the country around financially, it's a great choice.

    But Romney and his team have to sell the mission and while Ryan is articulate, he is not passionate enough to complement Romney's calm. Intelligent people will appreciate the team, but consumers of television realities will not.

    Net loss to the politics of the situation, but a great team if they can get elected.

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    The wonderful thing about this nomination is that no longer will the McCain choice of Sarah Palin be held up as the standard of incompetence.

    Romney just blew his chance at victory. Christmas comes early for dem supporters such as myself. The only real question now is the down ballot influence and how it should help sweep other dems into office.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    In terms of consistency and alignment to the mission of turning the country around financially, it's a great choice
    Can you extrapolate on this?

    I'd love to hear a reasonable, principle, fact based argument as to why the Ryan plan actually gets us back into the black.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    This is a big blow. Obama now has the fight he wanted. People, Obama is a very smart man and politician. This is pretty much a lay up.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Vallista View Post
    This is a big blow. Obama now has the fight he wanted. People, Obama is a very smart man and politician. This is pretty much a lay up.
    And the GOP just lowered the rim to eight feet off the ground.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And the GOP just lowered the rim to eight feet off the ground.
    Im a bit more reserved than you are haymarket lol... I dont believe anything is secure for anyone yet. I do believe Obamas chances improved with the ryan pick...simply because of ryans past statements and budget declarations show what he is and he cant change that and it gives obama alot of ammo to direct at the largest voting block cpwills loathesome babyboomers.

    Ryans plan was pushed twice and both times it was extremely unpopular...as soon as his plan is brought forward again by the media and obama it will be just as unpopular....and he wont be able to change his tune either.....the debates the debates the debates will lock this up for either side....but my money is now on obama

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Correct in what? Wanting to destroy America? It's amusing watching you side with someone who's authored plan deliberately destroys a consumer capitalist economy.
    No, what is amusing is watching you descend into Joe Biden territory.

    And that budget is largely ignored year after year. Sure Obama is running on increasing taxes. There is no mathematical way you can balance the budget without raising revenue.
    Well that is simply false. I think what you meant was that you do not see a political way to balance the budget without increasing taxes.

    As much as your fairly tale land would suggest, you cannot balance purely on cuts.
    Well, actually you can. However, that is neither here nor there, as no one is suggesting such a thing.

    O'rly? Do you know how much you're paying right now to cover the uninsured?
    Well that depends on the degree to which my employer draws funds that go to health insurance from general "compensation" that would otherwise go to me in pay.

    Dishonest people like you never address the fact that premiums and taxes are being used right now to cover the uninsured.
    Well that is also false, as I have discussed precisely that several times. I simply think that it is not the biggest structural problem in our healthcare system.

    With a mandate, a sizable chunk of those uninsured now cover at least part of their own resulting in less premiums being stolen and less taxes going to pay for the uninsured, Dishonest people like you don't even want to acknowledge that we are already socializing medical costs. The amusing **** about dishonest people like you is that you are subtly arguing that free riding and the theft of premiums is okay. Apparently taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor is bad, but taking premiums from the middle class and rich and giving it to the freeloaders is okay. Dishonest people like you make no sense. All the ACA really does is bring the costs to the front rather then hiding them in the insurance company 10ks.
    ladies and gentlemen of the audience, if you will open the dictionaries located under your seat, and flip to the "P's", you will notice that this very post can be found under the word "projection".

    You are in exceptionally poor form tonight. This isn't even an argument - it's just a rant. Been drinking?

    He has a strong spine but stands for nothing and will bend over whenever it gets him an inch? Really? Did you really just say that? You know, three years ago you wouldn't have been caught dead saying something that asinine.
    Actually, as I have been saying for at least two years not, Romney's strongest belief is "Romney should be President". He does have a strong backbone (the rigor of the modern campaign, which he has been engaged in now for about 5-6 years accepts nothing less), and will sacrifice lesser priorities for his central one.

    And I wanted John Huntsman.
    And that was an amazingly bad choice, as Huntsman began his campaign by alienating virtually every portion of the Republican Party. But I find that deeply entertaining, given that Huntsman was the first and the loudest of the GOP candidates to seek to tie himself to the Ryan Plan, which you now denounce . So apparently everyone in here who supports the Ryan Plan is an idiot for doing so, but Jon Huntsman, the guy who ran on the Ryan Plan, is the guy who should be President.

    seriously, it's like all you know about him is his campaign manager said some bad things about conservatives, and so now you decided you liked him.

    I seriously doubt Obama ever was against it. In fact, I suspect he was lying when he came out against it. Nothing he's ever done or said suggests he actually was against gay marriage.
    And on that we would agree. Obama was and remains a liar. Not "basically honest" about what he believes.

    Again, you are comparing many campaign promises to actual governing.
    You are arguing that honesty does not mean telling the truth if one happens to be campaigning?

    Romney as GOVERNOR was pro-choice, pro-climate change, pro-gun control, pro-tax hikes, pro-mandate. What has he done now?
    And as governor he changed on abortion. But you'll get no argument from me that Romney hasn't just shifted conservative in order to win the Presidency. My point here is simply that President Obama is in no way honest about himself, either.

    I still find it hilarious the GOP nominated a candidate who outright disavowed Reagan.
    yup. And Romney has since switched on Reagan. Huntsman hasn't switched on Ryan .

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