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    51 27.42%
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    84 45.16%
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Thread: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    It will hurt him in some ways and help...explanation, It will hurt him with independents and senior babyboomers...it will help him with the far right and teaparty YOUNGER types. Will it in the end help Romney Overall to get elected....I dont think so...I put I dont think, because no one knows the answer to that at this point.
    I dont think Romeny wanted Paul Ryan I think Romney was pushed and prodded into a Paul Ryan by the far right.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Been doing some reading on the Ryan Pick...interestingly historically VP choices can hurt a candidates chances more than they can help...so ive read this morning. Meaning VPs dont help you get elected historically but can put a damper on you.
    The general consensus seems to be Ryan is a High Risk low reward choice for Mitt Romney that he was forced to make by his rich benefactors.
    Paul Ryan is the Poster Darling of the GIMME ANOTHER TAX CUT crowd and We just gotta get this social security and medicare and medicaid gone and get rid of public pensions and health benefits and obamacare they are collapsing the country...we need to couple that with huge tax cuts for the top 1% or rich americans and corporations and get rid of costly regulations and that will fix everything and create millions of jobs..just like the other full 50% cut in taxs have right Paulie ?......Ok I believe you Paul...I cant wait to run out and pull the lever for obama

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    But this notion that so many people have that Obama is SO honest is simply not true.
    You do realize you're comparing political promises to time in office no? Every candidate lies to get into office. It's just that some of them flip flop during office to get the next one.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You do realize you're comparing political promises to time in office no? Every candidate lies to get into office. It's just that some of them flip flop during office to get the next one.
    Which in Obama's case translates to flip flopping while in office to get reelected.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I have. And he is correct.
    Correct in what? Wanting to destroy America? It's amusing watching you side with someone who's authored plan deliberately destroys a consumer capitalist economy.

    Yes and yet the President is expected to propose a budget every year, and Obama is running on increasing tax rates as though he would have the ability to effect such a thing... odd, that.
    And that budget is largely ignored year after year. Sure Obama is running on increasing taxes. There is no mathematical way you can balance the budget without raising revenue. As much as your fairly tale land would suggest, you cannot balance purely on cuts. I know you're terrible with numbers, but try for once.

    Some parts, certainly. People like free candy, they just don't like the tax increases and restrictions that goes into trying to making it work. Polling free candy is always popular.
    O'rly? Do you know how much you're paying right now to cover the uninsured? Dishonest people like you never address the fact that premiums and taxes are being used right now to cover the uninsured. With a mandate, a sizable chunk of those uninsured now cover at least part of their own resulting in less premiums being stolen and less taxes going to pay for the uninsured, Dishonest people like you don't even want to acknowledge that we are already socializing medical costs. The amusing **** about dishonest people like you is that you are subtly arguing that free riding and the theft of premiums is okay. Apparently taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor is bad, but taking premiums from the middle class and rich and giving it to the freeloaders is okay. Dishonest people like you make no sense. All the ACA really does is bring the costs to the front rather then hiding them in the insurance company 10ks.

    No - Romney has a pretty strong spine. What he doesn't have is an ideological core. He will do what he feels is necessary to win, which means he has been inconsistent.
    He has a strong spine but stands for nothing and will bend over whenever it gets him an inch? Really? Did you really just say that? You know, three years ago you wouldn't have been caught dead saying something that asinine.

    I would say that conservatives prefer him as President to our current alternative. I wanted Mitch Daniels.
    And I wanted John Huntsman.

    Yeah. For example, with homosexual marriage, where first he was for it before he was against it before he was for it. And lobbyists in the White House. And individual health insurance mandates. And tougher border security. And etc. so on and so forth.
    I seriously doubt Obama ever was against it. In fact, I suspect he was lying when he came out against it. Nothing he's ever done or said suggests he actually was against gay marriage.

    Again, you are comparing many campaign promises to actual governing.

    Romney as GOVERNOR was pro-choice, pro-climate change, pro-gun control, pro-tax hikes, pro-mandate. What has he done now?

    The stances you take when you are actually in charge matter. To wholesale turn against what you stood for as an elected leader to get a nomination is pretty bad.

    I still find it hilarious the GOP nominated a candidate who outright disavowed Reagan.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    So, the same people who said Scott Walker's reforms were political suicide now seem to think picking Paul Ryan is political suicide.

    Let's wait and see.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    So, the same people who said Scott Walker's reforms were political suicide now seem to think picking Paul Ryan is political suicide.

    Let's wait and see.
    Walker's "reforms" won't cause a wholesale collapse in consumer spending, severely damage corporate earnings and cause wholesale job losses at the same time wholly failing to bring down the deficit.

    Furthermore, Walker's "reforms" aren't done yet. Wait till the people of Wisconsin realize that the Governor can now sell state assets to whomever he wants without any bids and without public notice.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    So, the same people who said Scott Walker's reforms were political suicide now seem to think picking Paul Ryan is political suicide.

    Let's wait and see.

    Scott walker isnt the popular guy you think nor is his polices...recall elections are tough either way and The far right DUMPED hundreds of millions to keep scott in office and thats they only way he won...

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Scott walker isnt the popular guy you think nor is his polices...recall elections are tough either way and The far right DUMPED hundreds of millions to keep scott in office and thats they only way he won...
    Keep working on those excuse-making skills. You'll need 'em more than ever on November 7th.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Scott walker isnt the popular guy you think nor is his polices...recall elections are tough either way and The far right DUMPED hundreds of millions to keep scott in office and thats they only way he won...
    Actually the real reason he wasn't removed is because a sizable number of voters thought that what he did didn't qualify as grounds for removal. They didn't like what he did, but his reforms weren't something on the grounds for recall. I actually agree with them. Merely because you dislike the policies is hardly grounds for removal. Recall in many senses has to be done for something criminal.
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