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Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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Josie said:
It will help energize the conservative base to come out and vote for Romney.
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The conservative base was a sure thing just like a paid for hooker.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
It will help him. He need someone to kinda help him seem "conservative" and i think this will kinda help that.
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If he becomes any more conservative, he'll loose my vote. I've been hoping he'll come out a more moderate, but apparently that won't happen... :yawn:
 
It ca only help to have Ryan. In the end though, we vote for President, not VP.
 
It will probably have little to no effect.

It has the potential to hurt Romney, and is very possible. Extreme voters decide the primaries. Independent swing voters decide the general election.

It won't help, because as much as the extreme right has never been enamored with Romney, where are they going to go?
 
upsideguy said:
Yes, Romney did a wonderful job maintaining the peace with Vermont, defending the borders from New Hampishereites crossing the border in search of a better life and protected Nantucket from invasion of Long Island yachts. :)
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Those borders are about as porous as the Mexican border so this is a null and void argument.
upsideguy said:
...so not exactly the same job on a smaller scale, but I agree the best prep job in America to be POTUS (other than VPOTUS) would be governor of a decent sized state.
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I didn't say exactly the same, I said basically. I know it isn't the same.
upsideguy said:
What I was quibbling with was not the experience going into the office, but the idea that on this DATE Romney has more or better experience at being POTUS than someone that has 3.5 years experience actually doing the job of POTUS.
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Who said Romney has more or better experience than President Obama at being President? Every challenger has to overcome the fact that the incumbant has been there 4 years already. However, do we really value the experience President Obama holds? It hasn't exactly been a great experience.
 
lpast said:
It will hurt him in some ways and help...explanation, It will hurt him with independents and senior babyboomers...it will help him with the far right and teaparty YOUNGER types. Will it in the end help Romney Overall to get elected....I dont think so...I put I dont think, because no one knows the answer to that at this point.
I dont think Romeny wanted Paul Ryan I think Romney was pushed and prodded into a Paul Ryan by the far right.
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Good post.


lpast said:
Been doing some reading on the Ryan Pick...interestingly historically VP choices can hurt a candidates chances more than they can help...so ive read this morning. Meaning VPs dont help you get elected historically but can put a damper on you.
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I believe this.


obvious Child said:
lpast said:
Scott walker isnt the popular guy you think nor is his polices...recall elections are tough either way and The far right DUMPED hundreds of millions to keep scott in office and thats they only way he won...
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Actually the real reason he wasn't removed is because a sizable number of voters thought that what he did didn't qualify as grounds for removal. They didn't like what he did, but his reforms weren't something on the grounds for recall. I actually agree with them. Merely because you dislike the policies is hardly grounds for removal. Recall in many senses has to be done for something criminal.
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I'm not sure that the average voter is savvy enough to think through to whether the issue is worthy of a recall or not. They just see a person put before them.

I believe that the overall issue... government waste run amok... resonated with most people, and that Scott was the first/only one to ever address it and make hard choices. It may not have been everybody's ideal solution, but it was something. Plus, it was too soon to accurately gauge any negative or positive repercussions.


Smeagol said:
Not being a popular politician from a battleground state, I don't think he will help tHat much but he won't hurt either, which is good. If Jeb Bush wasnt agreeable, would ave been my choice too.
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Right now, Jeb Bush's last name and family ties disqualifies him. I doubt voters are ready to go there again just yet.


haymarket said:
The wonderful thing about this nomination is that no longer will the McCain choice of Sarah Palin be held up as the standard of incompetence.
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No. Palin was worse.


ttwtt78640 said:
lpast said:
Obvious Child the big flaw in CPwills thinking and everyone like him is simple....MILLIONS of people only have social security income and medicare...NOTHING ELSE....millions of people have no income ...and whether or not cpwill likes it...these people need to continue to live and eat everyday...I know this offends the very rich that poor people have the ORDASITY to want to eat and have a place to sleep and a innoculations for their small children...and they cant find a job because they sent them all to China, India and Phillipines and Biafra...because they are much better people than poor trifling americans and those disgusting half dead babyboomers...and besides were RICH and were ENTITLED to all we can get from anyone in anyway....smirk
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That would be a sensible argument except that 1/3 of the US population is now getting some taxpayer assistance. It is very hard to believe that can be "good", while we have at least 15 million illegal aliens that can find work.
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Theory is fine. Relatively few people vote according to theory. Most people vote according to their own self-interests.
 
Obama wins, regardless of who Romney picks. There hasn't been enough time for all the negatives to play out, as moderates tend to be very slow learners.

Plan on a landslide victory for Marco Rubio in 2016.
 
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It depends. Obama may use the "they want to kill old people" rhetoric due to Ryan's proposed overhaul of Medicare, and some people may be dumb enough to buy into it. As the election goes it may help him to win Wisconsin.
 
This pick will hurt Romney for one reason:

The independent voter.

Paul Ryan is way too far right to sway most independents. His stance on medicare, and social security make him a darling for the far right but he looks like something else to independent minded voters.

That is the key to every presidential election, and this pick will hurt that cause.
 
lunchbox said:
Obama wins, regardless of who Romney picks. There hasn't been enough time for all the negatives to play out, as moderates are very slow learners.

Plan on a landslide victory for Marco Rubio in 2016.
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I think these will be the tickets in 2016 with an X beside who will win their parties primary.

R
Rand Paul
Rubio
Palin
Huntsman
Christie x
Perry (lol)
A couple more I'm forgetting

D
Hillary Clinton x
O'Malley
Elizabeth Warren
Cuomo
Bloomberg

I think Hillary Clinton will win that election although Christie would be a BIG challenge (no Big Pun intended). Christie and Hillary debating would be great. The reason I believe Hillary would win is this. Her husband is a moderate Dem. After President Obama's Lenin impression for 8 years (yes, I think he'll win reelection) she can distance herself from him by stating A) I was the Secy of State, I had nothing to do with that B) I've seen my husband run the Executive Branch and I would compromise with the legislators C) I'm a woman. We had our first black POTUS, now we can have our first woman. All of this is predicated on the fact that I believe the R's will win the Senate and keep the House. People will grow disenchanted with both sides equally because we will continue with the gridlock we've had only it will be between the Senate and POTUS, not the House and the Senate. President Obama has NO reason to compromise anymore. He won't be seeking re-election. So when Hillary runs, she can say "I will compromise". The Republicans won't be able to say that because they just got done not doing it.
 
digsbe said:
It depends. Obama may use the "they want to kill old people" rhetoric due to Ryan's proposed overhaul of Medicare, and some people may be dumb enough to buy into it. As the election goes it may help him to win Wisconsin.
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What am I forgetting about Death Pannels?
 
oops! I miss voted. I meant to say that this hurts Romney.
 
I think this hurts him, but I didn't see a whole lot of altnernatives to Ryan for Romney. Chris Christie maybe?
 
digsbe said:
It depends. Obama may use the "they want to kill old people" rhetoric due to Ryan's proposed overhaul of Medicare, and some people may be dumb enough to buy into it. As the election goes it may help him to win Wisconsin.
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All Romney would have to do is say "What happens to 75 year olds and older with the ACA? Oh, thats right, I read page 1,792 of the ACA sir." Thats because under Obamacare, the Independent Payment Advisory Board (an appointed 15 member board) can change Medicare reimbursement rates on older Americans without electoral ramifications. That's rationing folks, no two ways about it. All they have to do is lower the reimbursements and they make care too expensive. Where do you think is the first place they will go when Obamacare becomes another black hole of money just like SS and Medicare?
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think this hurts him, but I didn't see a whole lot of altnernatives to Ryan for Romney. Chris Christie maybe?
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Yeah, Christie would have been his best bet I believe.
 
It's a desperation play for sure that will only delight voters who are already on his side. But I guess he figured what more do I have to lose.
The best part is that now the election can be a referendum on the Ryan budget and more tax cuts for the rich. Let's get that over and done with so we can move on.
 
iguanaman said:
It's a desperation play for sure that will only delight voters who are already on his side. But I guess he figured what more do I have to lose.
The best part is that now the election can be a referendum on the Ryan budget and more tax cuts for the rich. Let's get that over and done with so we can move on.
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Yep I agree...
 
Paul Ryan knows he is smarter and has better solutions than Romney. And, he'll not be able to hide this during the campaign. This will hurt Romney's campaign.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
Paul Ryan knows he is smarter and has better solutions than Romney. And, he'll not be able to hide this during the campaign. This will hurt Romney's campaign.
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I think it will energize it. At least the Romney Campaign has direction & some muscle behind it now.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Yeah, Christie would have been his best bet I believe.
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I disagree...Christie would not play well in the midwest I dont believe...they wouldnt like his blowhard soprano style at all....I think christie really has a small audience...Remember something Christie would have failed totally in NJ and got absolutely nothing done if it werent for two democrats...One of which is the Senate President Steven Sweeney who hates public workers...hes a used to be Ironworker Organizer who is totally jealous of public unions success and hes been after the unions for 4 or more years before christie came around...the other guy is a democrat power broker named Norquist who was an international brotherhood of electricians Pres..and has the same angst for public unions..while their unions influence diminished to almost nothing public unions soared in jersey and both of them have had it in for them...THEY ALLOWED and passed whatever christie wanted against public workers and unions...without them christie got NOTHING...hes not the hero the tearparty thinks he is...Oh and tearparty was intentional lol
 
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OhIsee.Then said:
What am I forgetting about Death Pannels?
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Do you remember how ignorant that argument was back then? It's essentially the same fear mongering here assuming they try to use that against Ryan (which they did when he introduced the bill).
MarineTpartier said:
All Romney would have to do is say "What happens to 75 year olds and older with the ACA? Oh, thats right, I read page 1,792 of the ACA sir." Thats because under Obamacare, the Independent Payment Advisory Board (an appointed 15 member board) can change Medicare reimbursement rates on older Americans without electoral ramifications. That's rationing folks, no two ways about it. All they have to do is lower the reimbursements and they make care too expensive. Where do you think is the first place they will go when Obamacare becomes another black hole of money just like SS and Medicare?
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It would be smart for them to pick at Obamacare and expose the stuff most people will not like. I think they really really need to focus on the national debt and Obama's failed spending. Ryan has pretty much run on fiscal responsibility and it would be wise for them to make the economy and government spending their main targets. In that respect I think Ryan will help Romney assuming they can adequately address the "these are two white guys that love the rich and corporate America" bull**** attacks.
 
Personally, I love the choice. Ryan really helps Romney with the Tea Party types and with...uh....uh....uh

As I said, I love the pick. Inspired!
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think this hurts him, but I didn't see a whole lot of altnernatives to Ryan for Romney. Chris Christie maybe?
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I think Christie would be a bad choice because both candidates on the ticket would be from the same general part of the country.
 
Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then

Paul Ryan knows he is smarter and has better solutions than Romney. And, he'll not be able to hide this during the campaign. This will hurt Romney's campaign.
I think it will energize it. At least the Romney Campaign has direction & some muscle behind it now

lunchbox said:
I think it will energize it. At least the Romney Campaign has direction & some muscle behind it now.
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I see that you understand my point and agree with it. It's just the result we disagree about. But, you are clearly not happy with Romney.
 
digsbe said:
Do you remember how ignorant that argument was back then? It's essentially the same fear mongering here assuming they try to use that against Ryan (which they did when he introduced the bill).


It would be smart for them to pick at Obamacare and expose the stuff most people will not like. I think they really really need to focus on the national debt and Obama's failed spending. Ryan has pretty much run on fiscal responsibility and it would be wise for them to make the economy and government spending their main targets. In that respect I think Ryan will help Romney assuming they can adequately address the "these are two white guys that love the rich and corporate America" bull**** attacks.
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The problem with that is digs...that obamacare has actually gotten more popular since the Scotus decision...
 
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