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    51 27.42%
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    84 45.16%
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Thread: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, it is being reported that Romney will announce Ryan tomorrow morning. While it is entirely possible that they are screwing with the media, it seems kinda unlikely and that Ryan will be the VP pick. Do you think the pick will help Romney, hurt him, have no real effect?
    I say sign him up. Let the games begin.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Romney isn't very spin resistant. Its easy to work any pick into an unflattering narrative.
    It would be something if his wrinkle free shirts worked that way with politics, eh?
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ........

    I'm going to assume you were just reading too fast; and missed that.





    Romney has significantly more executive experience than Obama did when he ran to be President - and after 3.5 years of OJT, Obama hasn't demonstrated a particularly steep learning curve.
    Have we seen a real platform yet? Hell, have we seen one by anyone in recent memory?

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, it is being reported that Romney will announce Ryan tomorrow morning. While it is entirely possible that they are screwing with the media, it seems kinda unlikely and that Ryan will be the VP pick. Do you think the pick will help Romney, hurt him, have no real effect?
    The Romney Campaign just put a revolver to its head and pulled the trigger.

    While Romney backed the Ryan, he could have backed away from parts of it if he picked someone else. Now with the author as its VP, he is essentially bonded to it and the Ryan is supremely god awful. It doesn't even come close to balancing the budget, it is projected to actually increase the deficit and will likely cause a severe recession.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I will hurt Romney. With voting.
    Indeed. Now the only real reason I see to justifiably voting for Obama it stop the Ryan plan.

    The GOP is so intellectually hollow that they'll back a plan that will increase the deficit purely to lower their rich backers' taxes.

    The Ryan plan is a total fiscal joke that will make things worse. The only hope we have if Obama loses is that the GOP actually reads what's in the bill and realizes "WHAT THE HELL DID HE WRITE?!" and vote no.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

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    As in - I don't really care.

    I will say this, he's no Sarah Palin - that's a positive if you are a Romney fan.


    Wow - what a dumbass choice that was.

    A guy in his seventies who has had numerous bouts with cancer chooses some intellectual, light weight who has never set foot in Washington in a official capacity to lead the most powerful country in history if he croaks.

    What the heck was the guy thinking?
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The Ryan plan is a total fiscal joke that will make things worse.
    I'll let you call it a joke when the senate is able to pass a budget. Its been how long now, 3 years and counting? Whether or not you agree with Ryans policies, its great that Romney and Ryan will have a well known economic plan to run on this November. Obama does not have a tax plan. Taxes — President Obama’s Record — Barack Obama Obama's tax plan is to tell congress to get something done. The american people got sold on promises of hope and change in 08. They got nothing but an unpopular healthcare law. They want to hear about the next steps and Romney is the only one with anything to offer.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by cbaber View Post
    I'll let you call it a joke when the senate is able to pass a budget.
    Fair enough, but that doesn't change the fact that the Ryan plan is a joke independent of the Senate's failure.

    Its been how long now, 3 years and counting? Whether or not you agree with Ryans policies, its great that Romney and Ryan will have a well known economic plan to run on this November.
    You sure about that? Have you seen what's in it?

    Obama does not have a tax plan. Taxes — President Obama’s Record — Barack Obama Obama's tax plan is to tell congress to get something done.
    Are you aware of what the jobs of the executive and legislative branch are? The executive branch has never written laws and are explicitly barred from doing so. Which include tax laws.

    The american people got sold on promises of hope and change in 08. They got nothing but an unpopular healthcare law. They want to hear about the next steps and Romney is the only one with anything to offer.
    You do realize that the ACA, when broken down and explained comes off rather favorably? People LOVE many of its parts. They just for some reason hate the gestalt. It's amusing watching the GOP try to explain their alternative without referencing the many parts of the ACA that people like. Obama essentially stole many of the GOP healthcare reform plans and now the GOP has little to work with without admitting that at least parts of the ACA are in fact good.

    Romney is a spineless politician who has and will flip flop on any position to gather a few meager votes and will not stand up for his own campaign staff when it counts.

    And you want him as President.

    At least Obama is moderately honest with what he says. You may disagree, but he's honest. Only Mittens knows what Mittens believes.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    At least Obama is moderately honest with what he says. You may disagree, but he's honest. Only Mittens knows what Mittens believes.
    He said he would 1/2 the deficit in his first term...not even close.

    He said he would close Gitmo and went on and on about how bad it is for America. It's still open.

    And please save the excuses for both - because that is ALL they are...excuses. And I have heard them ALL ad nauseum.

    He made promises and he did not keep them.

    He did not say he might do them. He said he would.

    He gave his word (in essence) and he went back on them.

    He is NOT honest.


    Nor is he honorable.

    At the very least, he should say; 'I personally believe that I had little choice on these matters. But I made promises to America that I did not keep and I should be judged accordingly for not fulfilling those promises. I am the President and they are my responsibility.'

    But he didn't.

    He and his cronies just blamed everyone else but him.

    Pathetic.

    At least take responsibility for breaking your promises.

    No one forced him to make those promises. But he chose to. So the responsibility is his if they do not come to pass.


    Nor is he wise.

    A wise person should know NEVER to make a promise unless you KNOW you can keep it.

    That's how I operate.

    It's simple common sense.


    Is he the worst scumbag in the world?

    Definitely not. he seems like a very interesting dude outside of the job.

    But as a politician he is NOT honest and he does NOT take responsibility for his promises...just like most politicians.


    Finally, I do not believe Romney for a moment either.

    He does flip flop like mad.

    But this notion that so many people have that Obama is SO honest is simply not true.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Fair enough, but that doesn't change the fact that the Ryan plan is a joke independent of the Senate's failure.


    You sure about that? Have you seen what's in it?
    I have. And he is correct.

    Are you aware of what the jobs of the executive and legislative branch are? The executive branch has never written laws and are explicitly barred from doing so. Which include tax laws.
    Yes and yet the President is expected to propose a budget every year, and Obama is running on increasing tax rates as though he would have the ability to effect such a thing... odd, that.

    You do realize that the ACA, when broken down and explained comes off rather favorably?
    Some parts, certainly. People like free candy, they just don't like the tax increases and restrictions that goes into trying to making it work. Polling free candy is always popular.

    Romney is a spineless politician who has and will flip flop on any position to gather a few meager votes and will not stand up for his own campaign staff when it counts.
    No - Romney has a pretty strong spine. What he doesn't have is an ideological core. He will do what he feels is necessary to win, which means he has been inconsistent.

    And you want him as President.
    I would say that conservatives prefer him as President to our current alternative. I wanted Mitch Daniels.

    At least Obama is moderately honest with what he says. You may disagree, but he's honest.
    Yeah. For example, with homosexual marriage, where first he was for it before he was against it before he was for it. And lobbyists in the White House. And individual health insurance mandates. And tougher border security. And etc. so on and so forth.

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