View Poll Results: Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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  • It will help Romney

    51 27.42%
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    84 45.16%
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    38 20.43%
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    13 6.99%
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Your previous "response" wasn't responsive so I gave back what you gave me.

    Most of what you've said here isn't responsive, either. Who's wrong and who's calling who names?

    At this point I'm sick of your hackery and avoidance. You're a waste of my time and a perfect imitation of your Washington masters. The Tea Party once again proves that it can get nothing resolved by being adamant. Thank you for reminding us all of that fact.
    AKA, I've got nothing so I'm going to bail out of this argument and try to take the high road by saying I'm above you even though the substance of all of my debate points proves otherwise. I haven't avoided a single topic and attempted to debate you in a civil manner. To which you decided to take a turn for personal attacks (sounds familiar) with statements such as:
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    There's no reason for that. Yet, you do it anyway because you have no counterpoint. This is the typical response of someone who knows their point has no substance. We see it everyday from politicians and it looks as though you are following suit.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You are very confused about what Obama is doing here. Obama is taking from those that now pay (or who have paid) into Medicare and giving to those that get will get PPACA subsidies to make PPACA appear not to be as expensive as it actually is. That is far different from changing the pay/benefit level for a particular gov't job. Obama is not saving any tax money, he is spending more tax money, just changing who is getting that money from Medicare patients to PPACA patients.
    So if you are correct about this, you should be able to show us what actual flesh and blood people will be denied actual benefits. That is the question I asked in the very beginning of this discussion.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So if you are correct about this, you should be able to show us what actual flesh and blood people will be denied actual benefits. That is the question I asked in the very beginning of this discussion.
    4 million seniors who will lose their medicare advantage coverage. the seniors who will be unable to access healthcare when they need it because of the reduction in providers willing to accept it. etc. and so forth.

    in a fee for service model, fees = services. you cut fees, you cut services. As the President himself has admitted.





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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Nuns protest Ryan's budget plan.

    "Nuns on the Bus, a tour of Catholic congregations in nine states, made its final stop in D.C. on Monday, where the participating Catholic sisters held a rally for their cause, a fight agains the Republican budget plan put forward by Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin. The nuns say the proposal will hurt families struggling to make ends meet in a difficult economy."

    Nuns on the Bus disembarks in the District - The Washington Post

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Selecting Ryan will help Romney. Will it be enough to win? Who knows. Shaping up to be a closer race than we expected.

    What I do know is Ryan is a rock star within the Republican party and will get some of the voters who think Romney isn't "right" enough.

    But what does it really matter? Donkeys or elephants, it's still animal crap. Like either one of these geniuses will yank us from the jaws of death and fly us to the mountain of gold in the sky with a free meat buffet and all-you-can-drink Long Island Ice Teas served by a bikini-clothed Angelina Jolie and Megan Fox while watching trailer park strippers wrestle in a vat of pudding.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked Weasel View Post
    Selecting Ryan will help Romney. Will it be enough to win? Who knows. Shaping up to be a closer race than we expected.

    What I do know is Ryan is a rock star within the Republican party and will get some of the voters who think Romney isn't "right" enough.

    But what does it really matter? Donkeys or elephants, it's still animal crap. Like either one of these geniuses will yank us from the jaws of death and fly us to the mountain of gold in the sky with a free meat buffet and all-you-can-drink Long Island Ice Teas served by a bikini-clothed Angelina Jolie and Megan Fox while watching trailer park strippers wrestle in a vat of pudding.
    So you don't think Romney would have done better with a more moderate running mate?

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    So you don't think Romney would have done better with a more moderate running mate?
    I think he should have selected Rubio.

    Or Christie.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Either of those men would have been problematic. Rubio because he is so young, and Christie because it would turn off significant portions of Romney's base while not really demonstrating much appeal to moderates. Christie's New-England-Republican politics turn off conservatives, and his hard-edge-rhetoric turns off independents.

    It really came down to two choices: Portman if Romney wanted to make this race a referendum on Obama's failed policies, or Ryan if Romney wanted to make this race a referendum on what he would replace them with.

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    Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    So you don't think Romney would have done better with a more moderate running mate?
    Balancing the ticket approach. It works well enough, but I'm more interested in who is going to be Romney's go-to man.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked Weasel View Post
    But what does it really matter? Donkeys or elephants, it's still animal crap. Like either one of these geniuses will yank us from the jaws of death and fly us to the mountain of gold in the sky with a free meat buffet and all-you-can-drink Long Island Ice Teas served by a bikini-clothed Angelina Jolie and Megan Fox while watching trailer park strippers wrestle in a vat of pudding.
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