View Poll Results: Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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    51 27.42%
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    84 45.16%
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Here's another prominent Dem admitting the point.


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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    The Obama administration made Obamacare debt neutral by borrowing one third of its anticipated cost from anticipated Medicare funds. It's all in the future, just like the supposed "gutting" of the program by Paul Ryan.
    No, that is not accurate at all. Obamacare creates savings in Medicare because the two overlap somewhat. We don't want to double pay for the same thing obviously. Ryan's budget cut Medicare by $1.8 trillion a decade and did nothing to fill in that gap. It's just a cut that would need to be made up by seniors.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If the Crash didn't happen the spending wouldn't have increased and there wouldn't be an issue. We can play that game all day long.
    Spending increasing is one of the reasons the crash happened to begin with. President Obama and the Dem Congress thought, for some reason, that spending MORE would pull us out. We now know that didn't work.
    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It didn't bother me that Clinton lied about getting a BJ, either. That whole thing was just another farce packaged up for purposes of Republican PR at the tax payer's expense. A ****ing waste of time and money. The House does the same thing "passing" budgets that are nothing more than Republican PR at tax payer expense. They know full damn well their budgets are so far removed from anything acceptable to the Senate that it's just a PR stunt, plain and simple, meant to incite the blind masses - which seems to be working to some extent.
    So you equate a POTUS doing something that harms no one except maybe his wife to an entire body of gov't (the Senate in this case) doing something that harms the entire country? Sure, the BJ got just as much (I'd say probably more) coverage but that doesn't mean its worse. Further, that you think the House DOING THEIR JOB/ABIDING BY THE LAW is a PR stunt is a very ignorant stance to take.
    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Debate honestly? Let's get some honesty here. The Republicans have plainly stated that running the country is not their top priority. Their top priority is making Obama a one term president. What more is there to discuss after that?
    I have no issue with someone saying they think getting him out of office is a priority. Even saying that it's a top priority isn't something I take offense too. However, if a politician on either side purposely does things to make the situation worse just to see a POTUS lose reelection, I would have a problem with that. If you have proof of a politician doing that, present it. If not, you're falling prey to the typical rhetoric and hyperbole of Capital Hill.
    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The Dems tried to work things out in the Super Committee - yeah, how did THAT go?
    Last time I checked, both sides screwed that up. Just sayin.
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    I have no doubt maintenance will suffer to some extent. That's what's been happening to our roads for years because no one sees the effects of that right away. New orders for equipment will most likely stop but existing orders will go on as planned since we're under contract to buy certain things in a given time-frame. R&D, again except as already contracted, will most likely stop.
    I disagree. Put simply, maintenance and training funds affect no one but us. R&D and purchase contracts affect the private job market. God forbid a politician be the one that forfeits jobs from his district or state. He'll be a one termer. Thats why the Joint Strike Fighter had parts made in all 50 states, its the only way it would gain approval. However, I will agree with you that some of the more ridiculous projects will be stopped. Crap like rifles that shoot around corners will stop.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    For those who claim that President Obama cut over $500 billion from Medicare, could you tell us with a verifiable link just how much in actual benefits to flesh and blood recipients that comes to?
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    For those who claim that President Obama cut over $500 billion from Medicare, could you tell us with a verifiable link just how much in actual benefits to flesh and blood recipients that comes to?
    The cut is connected to the funding of Obamacare. It was originally 500 billion, but even though Obamacare is barely even running, the CBO raised the number to 700 billion. One third of Obamacare's funding comes from Medicare, but for now that's mostly on paper.

    No, the Medicare Trustee's Report on Obamacare's Deficit Expansion Isn't 'Bogus' - Forbes

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    For those who claim that President Obama cut over $500 billion from Medicare, could you tell us with a verifiable link just how much in actual benefits to flesh and blood recipients that comes to?
    4 million seniors getting kicked off of medicare advantage

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    4 million seniors getting kicked off of medicare advantage
    And the verification of such a claim?
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    The cut is connected to the funding of Obamacare. It was originally 500 billion, but even though Obamacare is barely even running, the CBO raised the number to 700 billion. One third of Obamacare's funding comes from Medicare, but for now that's mostly on paper.

    No, the Medicare Trustee's Report on Obamacare's Deficit Expansion Isn't 'Bogus' - Forbes
    Where in that article does it discuss benefit cuts to actual flesh and blood recipients?
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Spending increasing is one of the reasons the crash happened to begin with.
    That's the biggest pile of crap I've seen in quite awhile. Is that the latest from the Tea Party or was it just a Republican/conservative site? They want to cut spending so they blame the Crash on spending! LOL! The sad thing is, some people will be stupid enough to believe it regardless of the public and private reports to the contrary.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So you equate a POTUS doing something that harms no one except maybe his wife to an entire body of gov't (the Senate in this case) doing something that harms the entire country? Sure, the BJ got just as much (I'd say probably more) coverage but that doesn't mean its worse. Further, that you think the House DOING THEIR JOB/ABIDING BY THE LAW is a PR stunt is a very ignorant stance to take.
    Are they passing anything that ANYBODY thinks the Senate or the President would consider?? No, they aren't. The Representatives in the House are building up a plank for their upcoming campaigns and you're falling for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I have no issue with someone saying they think getting him out of office is a priority. Even saying that it's a top priority isn't something I take offense too. However, if a politician on either side purposely does things to make the situation worse just to see a POTUS lose reelection, I would have a problem with that. If you have proof of a politician doing that, present it. If not, you're falling prey to the typical rhetoric and hyperbole of Capital Hill.
    Do you truly and honestly believe that the House has done absolutely every possible thing in their power to work with the President and move issues forward? If you can honestly and with a straight face answer "yes" then I'd suggest you're the one falling prey to rhetoric. The House has been obstructing since Day One and we both know it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Last time I checked, both sides screwed that up. Just sayin.
    When you won't make any concessions to the other side that's not trying or negotiating, that's being obstructionist. The Republicans have shown many times that they're very good at obstructing and have no clue what "compromise" or "negotiate" means. But I'm sure you see that as a Dem screw up.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where in that article does it discuss benefit cuts to actual flesh and blood recipients?
    If one assumes that the medical care providers will simply eat the cost difference between what Medicare pays and what private insurance pays (for the same treatment procedures) then there is no change, but if you rationally assume that the providers will either not accept Medicare patients or will riase the costs for "normal" (privately insured) patients to cover the difference then there is an effect on "flesh and blood" patients. Gov't mandates do not magically make goods and services cost less, no matter what Obama wishes you to believe.
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