View Poll Results: Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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    84 45.16%
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Wrong! See, that's why republicans lose, because they are blinded by their ideology instead of taking all the facts into consideration.
    speaking of amateur predictions. The GOP loses when there are more teat sucklers than producers voting. And yes, my observation about a POLL on this forum is accurate

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Oh, you mean the same Tea Party that stopped the spending that resulted in that credit rating drop? I can't even imagine what the debt would be if the Dems had kept the House. How can you honestly think that the Tea Party is the reason our credit rating dropped?
    I'll let S&P speak for themselves ...

    Lowering the nation’s rating to one notch below AAA, the credit rating company said “political brinkmanship” in the debate over the debt had made the U.S. government’s ability to manage its finances “less stable, less effective and less predictable.” It said the bipartisan agreement reached this week to find at least $2.1 trillion in budget savings “fell short” of what was necessary to tame the nation’s debt over time and predicted that leaders would not be likely to achieve more savings in the future.
    To which, I might add, some are already trying to weasel out of.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    If the debt hadn't been run up at the rate at which it was, it wouldn't have even been an issue. Or do you mean the same Tea Party that is a big influence in the only part of the Congress that has actually passed a budget in the past 1000+ days?
    Who cares? Whatever the Senate passes would never clear the House. If you think the House passing a budget that will never clear the Senate is some Big Deal then you have been duped. It's nothing but Republican PR paid for by US.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    BTW, I wasn't blaming President Obama or pointing the finger at him for the personnel decision. I was simply pointing out that the DOD is going to have to find cuts to 40% of its budget. Also, I have posted numerous times that I believe the DOD should reconsider the retirement program for vets. No one should be able to collect a pension at 38. That would save a lot of money from cutting programs that are as important to personnel as entitlements. We can be the most well taken care of force in the world, but if we can't train due to lack of funds, it defeats the purpose.
    The only way to get that 40% is going to be huge cuts to defense R&D and equipment purchases. Military contractors may as well kiss the ride goodbye because, much as I hate to see it, their ride is over.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    speaking of amateur predictions. The GOP loses when there are more teat sucklers than producers voting. And yes, my observation about a POLL on this forum is accurate
    I wasn't talking aboutt polls, issue dodger.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I wasn't talking aboutt polls, issue dodger.
    more idiocy. I was merely pointing out that those who want Obama to win are saying stuff they think helps Obama

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more idiocy. I was merely pointing out that those who want Obama to win are saying stuff they think helps Obama
    Well, that's really obvious and understood so why bother mentioning it?

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Well, that's really obvious and understood so why bother mentioning it?
    what was your purpose in your post?

    polls like this are silly because (especially lefties) people who want obama to win are always going to say anything at question is bad for Romney. same with many on the right if its about Obama

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'll let S&P speak for themselves ...
    To which, I might add, some are already trying to weasel out of.
    Its funny that you can't seem to attribute the huge uptick in debt spending with that fact that Dems controlled the House and Senate and ran the bill up. Then, we get people in the House that don't write President Obama open checks and spending stops. Fights ensure over that. Then we get downgraded. Once again, if the bill hadn't been run up to begin with, none of it would have happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Who cares? Whatever the Senate passes would never clear the House. If you think the House passing a budget that will never clear the Senate is some Big Deal then you have been duped. It's nothing but Republican PR paid for by US.
    So the FACT that the Senate has BROKEN THE LAW and not passed a budget doesn't bother you? It doesn't bother you that the budget the POTUS has proposed would send us deeper into debt after a 10 year repreave? It doesn't bother you that no one but the House has proposed a budget that reforms Medicare before it goes bankrupt? Honestly, I wouldn't be critical of Dems if they would have at least come to the table and debated this honestly. Instead of solving the problem that is Medicare, they stick their head in the sand and act like it isn't going bankrupt. Ryan and the House have done that with SS as well, but at least they're moving in the right direction.
    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The only way to get that 40% is going to be huge cuts to defense R&D and equipment purchases. Military contractors may as well kiss the ride goodbye because, much as I hate to see it, their ride is over.
    Here's the thing man, and this is something we will probably agree on. R&D and equipment purchases will not be the biggest thing that gets cut. I'm saying this as someone who's watching how this will unfold and has seen it unfold before during the Clinton years. R&D and equipment will take a small hit. What will take the biggest hit is maintenance of existing equipment and training funds. Maintenance being the biggest. I can remember having more trucks broken that fixed during the late 90's and early 2,000's. I already see it happening to us again. R&D and equipment purchases don't stop because it causes people jobs which in turn causes politicians elections.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what was your purpose in your post?

    polls like this are silly because (especially lefties) people who want obama to win are always going to say anything at question is bad for Romney. same with many on the right if its about Obama

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Its funny that you can't seem to attribute the huge uptick in debt spending with that fact that Dems controlled the House and Senate and ran the bill up. Then, we get people in the House that don't write President Obama open checks and spending stops. Fights ensure over that. Then we get downgraded. Once again, if the bill hadn't been run up to begin with, none of it would have happened.
    If the Crash didn't happen the spending wouldn't have increased and there wouldn't be an issue. We can play that game all day long.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So the FACT that the Senate has BROKEN THE LAW and not passed a budget doesn't bother you? It doesn't bother you that the budget the POTUS has proposed would send us deeper into debt after a 10 year repreave? It doesn't bother you that no one but the House has proposed a budget that reforms Medicare before it goes bankrupt? Honestly, I wouldn't be critical of Dems if they would have at least come to the table and debated this honestly. Instead of solving the problem that is Medicare, they stick their head in the sand and act like it isn't going bankrupt. Ryan and the House have done that with SS as well, but at least they're moving in the right direction.
    It didn't bother me that Clinton lied about getting a BJ, either. That whole thing was just another farce packaged up for purposes of Republican PR at the tax payer's expense. A ****ing waste of time and money. The House does the same thing "passing" budgets that are nothing more than Republican PR at tax payer expense. They know full damn well their budgets are so far removed from anything acceptable to the Senate that it's just a PR stunt, plain and simple, meant to incite the blind masses - which seems to be working to some extent.

    Debate honestly? Let's get some honesty here. The Republicans have plainly stated that running the country is not their top priority. Their top priority is making Obama a one term president. What more is there to discuss after that?

    The Dems tried to work things out in the Super Committee - yeah, how did THAT go?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Here's the thing man, and this is something we will probably agree on. R&D and equipment purchases will not be the biggest thing that gets cut. I'm saying this as someone who's watching how this will unfold and has seen it unfold before during the Clinton years. R&D and equipment will take a small hit. What will take the biggest hit is maintenance of existing equipment and training funds. Maintenance being the biggest. I can remember having more trucks broken that fixed during the late 90's and early 2,000's. I already see it happening to us again. R&D and equipment purchases don't stop because it causes people jobs which in turn causes politicians elections.
    I have no doubt maintenance will suffer to some extent. That's what's been happening to our roads for years because no one sees the effects of that right away. New orders for equipment will most likely stop but existing orders will go on as planned since we're under contract to buy certain things in a given time-frame. R&D, again except as already contracted, will most likely stop.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    It will help Romney with his base, who were going to vote against Obama anyway, but it is going to hurt with the independents and moderates who disagree with Ryan's extreme plan to cut services to everyone else in order to give the rich even bigger tax cuts.

    As Tea correctly noted, anything that focuses the voters attention the GOP's continued pursuit of trickle down economics is a mistake for the GOP.
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