View Poll Results: Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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  • It will help Romney

    51 27.42%
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    84 45.16%
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    38 20.43%
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    another bit of dishonesty-we call it a death tax because death is the operative action that causes the tax to come into play

    you know that and so does the other lover of that tax
    But if it doesn't always come into play upon death - and it doesn't! - then it's a false label. For example, there is no estate tax if the entire estate goes to charity.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Your property is taxed at death--hence, death tax.
    That's a lie. It's only taxed if someone inherits it.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I think all of us can agree that this Republican party is not the one that served under Bush. It may even have some of the same people, but my beloved Tea Party has scared them straight. The funny thing is, you point the finger at Republicans under Bush yet the policies they were pushing were simply President Obama-lite policies. Bush bailed people out. Obama bailed more people out. Bush killed terrorists without approval. Obama kills terrorists AND Americans without approval. Bush opened Guantanamo. Obama kept it open AND built them a soccer field. Bush increased the debt. Obama almost doubled it.
    Yeah - scared them so much they are even now looking for a way to back out of their agreement to reduce military spending next year. Yeah, they be affeared of you'all! LOL!
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    even the IRS has used the term DEATH TAXES to describe Ohio and other state's estate taxes which are applied in a manner almost identical to the Federal death tax
    Which IRS publication is that???
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the people who imposed this tax are obviously going to give it the most palatable name they could find

    its like Clinton calling his idiotic gun ban "The safe streets act" rather than the "hysterical and ignorant ban on scary looking firearms" law
    Of course.

    This is why I have started to be of the opinion that maybe bills and laws shouldn't be allowed to have names at all. Just numbers. Names emotionalize the issue too much.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's a lie. It's only taxed if someone inherits it.
    Didn't it used to be called the "inheritance tax"? Seriously, I think it was, but am too lazy to look it up right now.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Yeah, Texas,, what a big deal that is. The area he won is probably full of First Baptists.
    •In Indiana's Senate primary, tea party-backed Richard Mourdock ran a functionally libertarian campaign and won against Sen. Richard Lugar, a fiscal moderate and 36-year incumbent. Mourdock railed against government spending and promised to cut federal agencies, but hasn't talked about gay marriage.
    •In a Kentucky congressional primary, tea party candidate Thomas Massie won against Alecia Webb-Edgington. Massie opposed the PATRIOT Act, the drug war, and military adventurism. Webb-Edgington, by contrast, argued, "We don't need any more socialists, communists or libertarians in the Republican Party."
    •In Florida's Senate primary, Rep. Connie Mack won the backing of the tea party over fiscal moderate Sen. George LeMieux and big-government social conservative Rep. Dave Weldon. Mack voted twice against the Wall Street bailout in 2008, and his "Penny Plan" to cut spending was incorporated as part of the "Tea Party Budget." Weldon failed to gain momentum among tea partiers, despite hiring Santorum's communications director and winning the support of evangelical leaders.
    •In Wisconsin's Senate primary, tea party voters have pushed businessman Eric Hovde to a polling lead over Mark Neumann. Neumann told the New York Times that he would refuse to hire a gay staffer, and in a speech before the Christian Coalition said, "If I was elected God for a day, homosexuality wouldn't be permitted." Hovde has emphasized his strong stand for cutting spending and limiting government.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Some of us see the tax as not on someone dying, but rather someone GAINING, like a gift or the lottery... be thankful it isn't taxed like the lottery

    For sure the receiver of the estate did something to earn the gift, most likely being fortunate enough to be born or adopted into the wealthy family.

    Even the lame attempt to call it a 'death tax' doesn't change the fact few, if any people actually PAY the tax. First the tax doesn't kick in until the single person's estate is valued over 5 million dollars. Next given estate planning and gift tax relaxation, only spiteful Uber-riche would fail to dole out enough of their estate to duck below the 5 million dollar threshold.

    More whine from the very blessed over a non issue while they are sitting there fat and happy.

    Pathetic really...

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yeah - scared them so much they are even now looking for a way to back out of their agreement to reduce military spending next year. Yeah, they be affeared of you'all! LOL!
    You may want to read up on sequestration before you throw this ridiculous statement out.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Didn't it used to be called the "inheritance tax"? Seriously, I think it was, but am too lazy to look it up right now.
    We can thank Frank Luntz for this and other semantic turds.

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