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Thread: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    In general I tend to think that the VP pick has less of an effect than people pretend. Even Sarah Palin probably got equal amounts of people to vote for and against McCain (though there was at least one poll showing that she helped more than she hurt him).

    But if I *had* to pick I'd say this helps Romney, simply because undecideds are looking for an alternative to Obama and at least Ryan offers *something*. He's articulate enough to make a good case against the inevitable smears, too. Even if some independents are somewhat uneasy about the ideas behind it, I'm willing to bet they're more uneasy about repeating the last 4 years.

    Plus it'll help conservatives get behind the "Massachusetts Moderate".

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, it is being reported that Romney will announce Ryan tomorrow morning. While it is entirely possible that they are screwing with the media, it seems kinda unlikely and that Ryan will be the VP pick. Do you think the pick will help Romney, hurt him, have no real effect?
    Romney is such a lousy candidate that it will not matter who he picks as his VP. When Romney loses 2012 the die hard party-tards will probably try to blame Paul Ryan just like many die hard party-tards tried to blame Sarah Palin for McRino losing 08 instead of accepting the fact that they chose a ****ty candidate.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Boy that second option is a bit misspelled. :P
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    If he does it, he's just playing right into Obama's hands. Making it all about taxes and trickle down. Obama wins if that is what the election is about and that is all Ryan is about.
    If Romney picked someone that was a social conservative you'd say the same thing.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Romney is such a lousy candidate that it will not matter who he picks as his VP. When Romney loses 2012 the die hard party-tards will probably try to blame Paul Ryan just like many die hard party-tards tried to blame Sarah Palin for McRino losing 08 instead of accepting the fact that they chose a ****ty candidate.
    Such a great argument full of facts and insight...

    The good thing about Ryan is that he is a budget guy. The Republican ticket has a solid plan for our 8.3% unemployment rate. Thats more than you can say for Obama and voters see that.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    In general I tend to think that the VP pick has less of an effect than people pretend. Even Sarah Palin probably got equal amounts of people to vote for and against McCain (though there was at least one poll showing that she helped more than she hurt him).

    But if I *had* to pick I'd say this helps Romney, simply because undecideds are looking for an alternative to Obama and at least Ryan offers *something*. He's articulate enough to make a good case against the inevitable smears, too. Even if some independents are somewhat uneasy about the ideas behind it, I'm willing to bet they're more uneasy about repeating the last 4 years.

    Plus it'll help conservatives get behind the "Massachusetts Moderate".
    It also depends on how involved Governor Romney would want his VP to be. Some VPs are immensely useful in crafting strategy, or simply used as a negotiating edge.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Boy that second option is a bit misspelled. :P
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Boy that second option is a bit misspelled. :P
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by cbaber View Post
    Such a great argument full of facts and insight...
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    The good thing about Ryan is that he is a budget guy. The Republican ticket has a solid plan for our 8.3% unemployment rate. Thats more than you can say for Obama and voters see that.
    I find it hard to believe that someone who supports outsourcing will really do anything for unemployment except for the unemployment in other countries.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If Romney picked someone that was a social conservative you'd say the same thing.
    Romney isn't very spin resistant. Its easy to work any pick into an unflattering narrative.
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