View Poll Results: Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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    51 27.42%
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    84 45.16%
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Uh given that WIKI can be edited by anyone and I am sure people like you have tried to make their beloved looting of the wealthy's property sound as benevolent as possible I reject your "authority" as being without credible citations. Citing a professor from Berkeley who was a protégée of Noam Chomsky is hardly convincing.

    and a linguist is hardly authority on tax issues-his association with a far left think tank further suggests that his comments are based on an agenda

    sorry your citations are rejected as being laughable and biased

    even the IRS has used the term DEATH TAXES to describe Ohio and other state's estate taxes which are applied in a manner almost identical to the Federal death tax
    Actually you need to learn quite a bit about the wikipedia editing process. If its that easy perhaps you should do it and report back here to us?

    Who would know better about words than a professional linguist? You really do not like experts who make you look stupid do you?

    I could not care less what some lower level clerk from the IRS decides to do. As you have been told a hundred times, every pastry chef in the land, every cook book in the land and every food expert in the land who talks about two tiers of yellow batter with custard in between covered by chocolate as a BOSTON CREAM PIE. All the experts agree that it is a BOSTON CREAM PIE.

    and its a cake no matter what words come out of the chef or food experts mouth.

    You already admitted there is no tax on death.

    Its settled and finished.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually you need to learn quite a bit about the wikipedia editing process. If its that easy perhaps you should do it and report back here to us?

    Who would know better about words than a professional linguist? You really do not like experts who make you look stupid do you?

    I could not care less what some lower level clerk from the IRS decides to do. As you have been told a hundred times, every pastry chef in the land, every cook book in the land and every food expert in the land who talks about two tiers of yellow batter with custard in between covered by chocolate as a BOSTON CREAM PIE. All the experts agree that it is a BOSTON CREAM PIE.

    and its a cake no matter what words come out of the chef or food experts mouth.

    You already admitted there is no tax on death.

    Its settled and finished.

    a far left linguist=Sorry. Next you will quote Obama for knowing best about the GOP agenda.

    Death tax is an accepted description of the wealth stealing social engineering scheme you love so much

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

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    "scared them straight" You T's are living an illusion. I have not heard them in the news for a year . [rip] Look at your avatar with the gun playing badass.Is that all you got lol.
    Yeah, they've done nothing. Meanwhile, another Tea Partier won a Republican primary over an establishment guy in Texas for one of their Senate seats. Just happened last week. Maybe you should stop watching MSNBC and you would hear about stuff like that bro.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    From reading conservative responses, I don't see how Ryan is going to help Romney in some of their views. Some of them, like Jamesrage, are still unhappy with Romney despite picking Ryan. For some Conservatives, I don't think Romney can win them over.

    It doesn't look like Ryan can bring the same excitement as Palin.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    From reading conservative responses, I don't see how Ryan is going to help Romney in some of their views. Some of them, like Jamesrage, are still unhappy with Romney despite picking Ryan. For some Conservatives, I don't think Romney can win them over.

    It doesn't look like Ryan can bring the same excitement as Palin.
    The VP candidate shouldn't outshine the Presidential candidate.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yeah, they've done nothing. Meanwhile, another Tea Partier won a Republican primary over an establishment guy in Texas for one of their Senate seats. Just happened last week. Maybe you should stop watching MSNBC and you would hear about stuff like that bro.
    BTW, bet my avatar would beat yours. Yours still has his guns in the holster. Mine is at the ready.
    Yeah, Texas,, what a big deal that is. The area he won is probably full of First Baptists.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    The VP candidate shouldn't outshine the Presidential candidate.
    In a Media Whore Culture, that makes sense. Our graven image, the Personality-in-Chief must outshine all.

    Romney is a manager. He spots talent and puts it to work. I am sure he is delighted that Ryan is quicker on his feet than he is. Helps his campaign.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    From reading conservative responses, I don't see how Ryan is going to help Romney in some of their views. Some of them, like Jamesrage, are still unhappy with Romney despite picking Ryan. For some Conservatives, I don't think Romney can win them over.

    It doesn't look like Ryan can bring the same excitement as Palin.
    You may want to take a look at the campaign coverage.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    I don't think tihs is "Palin all over again" but the nagain, I view the Palin pick far differently than many liberals on this board.

    Palin was an excellent political pick botched by horrendous political strategy and campaigning. John McCain had 8+ years of reputation as being a moderate, as being a Republican that could attract independents and work with Democrats, of being someone that could easily reach to the middle. He had issues with his base and did not exactly come off as genuine when he did the required lurch to center the primary season calls for. In Palin he helped shore up his base and gave himself the opening to run towards the center and at least ATTEMPT to get some of the independents and moderates away from the Obama ticket. It also politcally gave him a counter to the notion of it being a "historic" election and in terms of the Charisma gap on the tickets. Her biggest weakness on paper, the small amount of experience, should've been something that would've been politically damaging to go after given Obama's sizably low amount of experience for the position of Chief Executive as well. The problem with Palin however was the execution was just attrocious. The McCain camp either didn't inform her of the selection significantly in advance to allow her to bone up on National issues OR they simply made the decision at the last possible moment. To compensate they immedietely stashed her away after the initial announcement. However the biggest blunder was the most obvious...McCain picked someone that would galvanize and excite the base, but rather than taking advantage of that and allowing himself to act natural and go back towards the middle, he attempte to continue to play at being "joe conservative" and to put Palin front and Center. Palin would've been the perfect pick to go around on a bus tour, whipping up the Republican Base and getting them excited while McCain is being the front man at the top of the ticket speaking in Interviews and on TV putting forward a more moderate tone and a message of working together to fix Washington and truly going back to what came most natural to him...being a moderate Republican. The Palin pick was excellent politically....the EXECUTION of it was one of the biggest botches I've seen since studying politics.

    The Ryan pick is ridiculously different, in part because the Romney candidacy is ridiculously different. While Mitt Romney was regarded as a "moderate" in Massachusetts and attacked as one throughout his time in the Republican Primary, since he's been on the national scene he's presented himelf as a rock ribbed, stereotypical, Republican through and through. This means that the base, the group most likely to pay attention to the primaries so listened and heard those attacks in 2008, view him perhaps as a "moderate" Republican but many in the general population just see him as "Joe GOP". He does not have the same national chache as a moderate or independent minded person in the same way that John McCain did. As such, the ability to choose a candidate to solidify the base while he works to the middle...as was possible for McCain with Palin...does not exist. While it would help Romney a bit to sure up the base, even that is not as important as 2008. In 2008 people on the right disliked Obama largley because he was the Democratic nominee...but there was no real tangiable thing to point to whip them into the frenzy. Four years later and we have multiple tangable actions and statements and things regarding Obama, on top of him simply being the opponents pick, that has the base whipped into a frenzy that makes it less necessary to placate them. Politically, the Ryan pick is worse than Palin. While it helps in the notoin that it may assist with a swing state and he brings a tangable benefit to the campaign in his ability to be a clear and articulate orator of the conservative message, the benefits he brings to the campaign are no where near the level of Palin where as many of the potential pitfalls....his clear staunchly right position and it's effect with independents, his arguable lack of experience, and his greater charisma and popularity than the top of the ticket individual...remain.

    As I've said in another thread, on a personal level I like the Ryan pick. But on a political level, it's at best a break even pick and likely a poor one given the many other potential options. This is in stark contrast to the Palin pick which was a good, if not great, selection politically that suffered due to horrific campaign planning.

    (On a side note...the fact that my go to candidate in the Primaries this year borrowed the McCain campaign strategy team should've had me perfectly prepared for the second worst campaign strategy I've seen since watching politics. Huntsman's primary strategy was just mind boggling stupid and it doesn't shock me in the least that it was dreamed up by the same individuals who took a golden goose in the 2008 election and proceeded to throw it in the oven until it was charred black).

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and marx and other communists favored heavy death taxes. there is no dispute that those who hate private property and want an all powerful nanny state to gobble up more and more private property support the death tax

    those envious of the wealthy all support the death tax as well. there is no dispute about that either
    And there's the ENVY card!!!


    No, not all people who support estate taxes dislike property or envy someone who can make money. You know my view of estate taxes and it has nothing to do with government making money.
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