View Poll Results: Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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  • It will help Romney

    51 27.42%
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    84 45.16%
  • It will have no real effect on the outcome

    38 20.43%
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    13 6.99%
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    And type something with proper grammar, spacing, and capitalization so its coherent guy. Again, you avoid debate because you have no point. Just flapping those gums.
    You sound like a mean librarian. It's my little tiny computer. I haven't gotten used to it. Don't be so prissy..

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    You sound like a mean librarian. It's my little tiny computer. I haven't gotten used to it. Don't be so prissy..
    Debate yet or still avoiding anything coherent?
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    I didn't read the thread, but I voted "hurt "Romney". Ryan's budget is ridiculous, most people should be against it. Ryan will help Romney with his base, big deal, they weren't going to vote for Obama. Ryan will hurt with independent voters I think, he is positioned too far right. This shows Romney has sold out to the Koch brothers and the tea party, and we can't give govt. to one side again, esp. the repubs that screwed the nation under Bush.
    I think all of us can agree that this Republican party is not the one that served under Bush. It may even have some of the same people, but my beloved Tea Party has scared them straight. The funny thing is, you point the finger at Republicans under Bush yet the policies they were pushing were simply President Obama-lite policies. Bush bailed people out. Obama bailed more people out. Bush killed terrorists without approval. Obama kills terrorists AND Americans without approval. Bush opened Guantanamo. Obama kept it open AND built them a soccer field. Bush increased the debt. Obama almost doubled it.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I think all of us can agree that this Republican party is not the one that served under Bush. It may even have some of the same people, but my beloved Tea Party has scared them straight. The funny thing is, you point the finger at Republicans under Bush yet the policies they were pushing were simply President Obama-lite policies. Bush bailed people out. Obama bailed more people out. Bush killed terrorists without approval. Obama kills terrorists AND Americans without approval. Bush opened Guantanamo. Obama kept it open AND built them a soccer field. Bush increased the debt. Obama almost doubled it.
    "scared them straight" You T's are living an illusion. I have not heard them in the news for a year . [rip] Look at your avatar with the gun playing badass.Is that all you got lol.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I think all of us can agree that this Republican party is not the one that served under Bush.
    this current visage of the GOP is nothing like any previous version of it. It was hijacked by a combination of right wing think tanks, libertarians who realized they would never have success under their own label, Grover Norquist, the Koch Brothers and the tea party yahoos. And the Boehners of this world laid back figuring they would enjoy the ride and now they are screwed.

    The selection of Ryan only confirms this.

    btw - has anybody figured out which "inner cities" Ryan represents? He mentioned this yesterday and a map of his district reveals no such thing.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Paul Ryan has won seven elections in a Democrat district. The last time the people of Paul Ryan's district voted for a Republican for President was 1984.
    You misspelled "Democratic."
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    my thoughts on the VP pick from the other thread :

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix
    just got back from two days in the wilderness with no 3g, so i am just now hearing about this pick.

    my analysis (caveat : i'm not a Romney supporter, so that may affect perfect objectivity)

    pros :

    Ryan is extremely well spoken, and can debate quite well.
    it's early to say, but if he could flip Wisconsin, that's ten electoral votes that went Obama last time.
    conservatives love him, and he'll certainly cause some voters who would have otherwise stayed home to show up and pull the lever for Romney.
    his tax plan is a big plus for a small percentage of people who have vast amounts of wealth. it's likely this pick will bring in an incredible amount of money from donors who may have previously written this election off as lost due to Romney's lack of affability and complete disconnect with the average voter.

    cons :

    Ryan's budget. i'd wager that many retirees (even some conservative retirees) aren't willing to trade the medicare benefits that they've paid for their whole lives for a lousy private voucher system. even if this is unlikely to actually happen, this election is now about privatizing medicare and part of social security.
    Ryan's tax plan is a liability with voters who have seen tax cuts for the top percentages fail to deliver over and over again.
    again, while it's early to make this prediction, this pick may cost Romney Florida. that's 29 electoral votes down the drain, unless the pick really does bring in enough money to saturate Florida's airwaves 24/7 between now and the election with anti-Obama rhetoric.

    summary :

    it was either Ryan or Rubio. Rubio might have brought Florida with him, which would have been priceless. additionally, Rubio's Hispanic heritage would have an asset to Romney in bringing out a bit more of the Latino vote which will likely go Obama. Ryan brings money from donors and rock solid conservative credentials. the other names being floated were non-starters who would have brought very little to the campaign. between Ryan and Rubio, it's my opinion that Rubio would have been the better pick.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Since we have been through this literally hundreds of times in thread after thread after thread, read it for yourself in this article which explains both for you

    Estate tax in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    and the death tax



    Every word above has been reproduced scores of times for you.
    Uh given that WIKI can be edited by anyone and I am sure people like you have tried to make their beloved looting of the wealthy's property sound as benevolent as possible I reject your "authority" as being without credible citations. Citing a professor from Berkeley who was a protge of Noam Chomsky is hardly convincing.

    and a linguist is hardly authority on tax issues-his association with a far left think tank further suggests that his comments are based on an agenda

    sorry your citations are rejected as being laughable and biased

    even the IRS has used the term DEATH TAXES to describe Ohio and other state's estate taxes which are applied in a manner almost identical to the Federal death tax

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    "Estate Tax" is the proper official name.

    "Death Tax", while not wholly incorrect, is a manufactured interpretation purposely intended to paint the tax in a negative light.

    Not that any tax is positive, but still...
    the people who imposed this tax are obviously going to give it the most palatable name they could find

    its like Clinton calling his idiotic gun ban "The safe streets act" rather than the "hysterical and ignorant ban on scary looking firearms" law

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the people who imposed this tax are obviously going to give it the most palatable name they could find

    its like Clinton calling his idiotic gun ban "The safe streets act" rather than the "hysterical and ignorant ban on scary looking firearms" law
    Could you present the corresponding information as to how the Roman Emperor Augustus named his tax on estates 2,000 years ago?
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