View Poll Results: Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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  • It will help Romney

    51 27.42%
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    84 45.16%
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    38 20.43%
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    LOL, you have no idea who you're talking to. There are quite a few people on this site, of the total opposite end of the political spectrum, that would vouch for my anti-war stance. Also, I've never killed a harmless person. Seeing as how it's obvious you don't know how the COIN environment works, you should probably keep your uneducated opinion to yourself. There are very few instances in the current wars we have fought where an American servicemember can take the first shot without a definite threat to him such as a weapon pointed at him, etc. My conscience is clear bro. So, are you going to dispute my previous post or just spew forth more vitriol to hide the fact that you don't know what you're talking about?
    You claim to be anti war but you do nothing about it and don't want it discussed as a campaign issue. There is a name for a person like that and it begins with an n

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you even read the words you write and think if they make sense?
    short answer is no, no he does not.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from Lachean





    this is from the Wikipedia article (previously cited and linked) on the Estate tax in the USA


    Well-known Republican pollster Frank Luntz wrote that the term "death tax" "kindled voter resentment in a way that 'inheritance tax' and 'estate tax' do not"

    No mind reading is necessary. It is clear beyond doubt that Luntz is willing to employ a dishonest label because it culls resentment among the very citizenry that he would need to further the repeal of the inheritance tax.

    why is "estate tax" honest and death tax dishonest?

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why is "estate tax" honest and death tax dishonest?
    Since we have been through this literally hundreds of times in thread after thread after thread, read it for yourself in this article which explains both for you

    Estate tax in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The estate tax in the United States is a tax imposed on the transfer of the "taxable estate" of a deceased person, whether such property is transferred via a will, according to the state laws of intestacy or otherwise made as an incident of the death of the owner, such as a transfer of property from an intestate estate or trust, or the payment of certain life insurance benefits or financial account sums to beneficiaries. The estate tax is one part of the Unified Gift and Estate Tax system in the United States. The other part of the system, thegift tax, imposes a tax on transfers of property during a person's life; the gift tax prevents avoidance of the estate tax should a person want to give away his/her estate.
    In addition to the federal government, many states also impose an estate tax, with the state version called either an estate tax or an inheritance tax. Since the 1990s, opponents of the tax have used the pejorative term "death tax".[1] The equivalent tax in the United Kingdom has always been referred to as "inheritance tax".
    and the death tax

    Political use of "death tax" as a synonym for "estate tax" was encouraged by Jack Faris of the National Federation of Independent Business[47] during the Speakership of Newt Gingrich.
    Well-known Republican pollster Frank Luntz wrote that the term "death tax" "kindled voter resentment in a way that 'inheritance tax' and 'estate tax' do not".[48]
    Linguist George Lakoff states that the term "death tax" is a deliberate and carefully calculated neologism used as a propaganda tactic to aid in efforts to repeal estate taxes. The use of "death tax" rather than "estate tax" in the wording of questions in the 2002 National Election Survey increased support for estate tax repeal by only a few percentage points.[49]
    Every word above has been reproduced scores of times for you.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    "Estate Tax" is the proper official name.

    "Death Tax", while not wholly incorrect, is a manufactured interpretation purposely intended to paint the tax in a negative light.

    Not that any tax is positive, but still...
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Here is some good stuff about paul ryan by michael. Paul ryan loves "rage against the machine" and romney says that we have had the middle class too long

    Welcome to MichaelMoore.com good free music too even for the political hacks
    Last edited by LiberalAvenger; 08-12-12 at 07:46 PM.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    You claim to be anti war but you do nothing about it and don't want it discussed as a campaign issue. There is a name for a person like that and it begins with an n
    So I should do what about it? Go up to Capital Hill and jump on someone's desk? You want to discuss foreign policy, discuss it. Don't just act as though I've been avoiding the topic when the topic has never been brought up to begin with. Or did you just think I was avoiding it and digital diarrhea that thought onto this thread?
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So I should do what about it? Go up to Capital Hill and jump on someone's desk? You want to discuss foreign policy, discuss it. Don't just act as though I've been avoiding the topic when the topic has never been brought up to begin with. Or did you just think I was avoiding it and digital diarrhea that thought onto this thread?


    I musst have missed it but what did you say that hasn't already been rode into the ground?say something that did not come from the t party handbook.
    Last edited by LiberalAvenger; 08-12-12 at 08:47 PM.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I musst have missed it but what did you say that hasn't already been rode into the ground?say something that did not come from the t party handbook.
    And type something with proper grammar, spacing, and capitalization so its coherent guy. Again, you avoid debate because you have no point. Just flapping those gums.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    I didn't read the thread, but I voted "hurt "Romney". Ryan's budget is ridiculous, most people should be against it. Ryan will help Romney with his base, big deal, they weren't going to vote for Obama. Ryan will hurt with independent voters I think, he is positioned too far right. This shows Romney has sold out to the Koch brothers and the tea party, and we can't give govt. to one side again, esp. the repubs that screwed the nation under Bush.

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