View Poll Results: Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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    84 45.16%
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    38 20.43%
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    I think it helps Romney. Wish the ticket was reversed, actually.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    This pick will hurt Romney for one reason:

    The independent voter.

    Paul Ryan is way too far right to sway most independents. His stance on medicare, and social security make him a darling for the far right but he looks like something else to independent minded voters.

    That is the key to every presidential election, and this pick will hurt that cause.
    If people knew how to appeal to the supposed 'independent voter' someone would have figured out what to say to get them in their camp already. I dont know who these people are or how anyone could be undecided at this point, but I would prefer a candidate to put his cards on the table and say where he stands and let him win or lose based upon that. Independents sided with Walker, so I wouldnt count Ryan out by any means. In fact, it might just guarantee a win for Romney.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If people knew how to appeal to the supposed 'independent voter' someone would have figured out what to say to get them in their camp already. I dont know who these people are or how anyone could be undecided at this point, but I would prefer a candidate to put his cards on the table and say where he stands and let him win or lose based upon that. Independents sided with Walker, so I wouldnt count Ryan out by any means. In fact, it might just guarantee a win for Romney.
    The difference between Scott Walker and Paul Ryan is that the average voter doesn't view public union-busting in the same light as entitlement reform and lowering federal taxes for the wealthy while raising them for everyone else.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I think it helps Romney. Wish the ticket was reversed, actually.
    Why do you "Wish the ticket was reversed..."? I posted "Paul Ryan knows he is smarter and has better solutions than Romney..." And I think it will show. What do you think?

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The difference between Scott Walker and Paul Ryan is that the average voter doesn't view public union-busting in the same light as entitlement reform and lowering federal taxes for the wealthy while raising them for everyone else.
    No one has proposed lowering the taxes on the wealthy and raising them for everyone else--even though that is exactly what should happen.

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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    If he can't get rid of the cow lick...it will help Romney. LOL.

    Ok, in all seriousness, Romney has not done well since he won the nomination. I'm hoping he is saving all the good ammo for the last couple of months before the election. Stuff like unemployment and 2 years under Obama/Democrat control and nothing positive, Obamacare, etc. But, since no VP has ever won the Presidency for the presidential candidate, I voted that he won't help or hurt. However, if he takes over the spot light in any way (positive or negative) he will hurt Romney. Ryan's job, right now, is to read the script, stick to the lines, smile and wave...and comb his hair...sheesh. Somebody get this guy some Aqua Net or something.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The difference between Scott Walker and Paul Ryan is that the average voter doesn't view public union-busting in the same light as entitlement reform and lowering federal taxes for the wealthy while raising them for everyone else.
    How are two FIT rates of 10% and 25% on going to raise taxes? The Ryan FIT plan is said to bring in 18% to 19% of GDP, the same as under Clinton. We, as a nation, can not pretend that running federal defictis of 42% is sustainable.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The difference between Scott Walker and Paul Ryan is that the average voter doesn't view public union-busting in the same light as entitlement reform and lowering federal taxes for the wealthy while raising them for everyone else.
    While I view both tactics as disgusting - I do think you have a point.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Why do you "Wish the ticket was reversed..."? I posted "Paul Ryan knows he is smarter and has better solutions than Romney..." And I think it will show. What do you think?
    Does he know what office he is running for? Apparently Mittens does not.
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    Re: Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The difference between Scott Walker and Paul Ryan is that the average voter doesn't view public union-busting in the same light as entitlement reform and lowering federal taxes for the wealthy while raising them for everyone else.
    How quickly we forget that Bush lowered the bottom FIT rate by 33% (from 15% to 10%), and those paying that rate (as their top rate) are not likely to have any deductions (beyond the standard). We only hear the Obama crew stating that Bush gave tax breaks to the wealthy - they never mention that the lower income brackets got even larger FIT rate reductions. Many lose sight of the real purpose of the FIT, which is to raise federal revenue, not to accomplish social justice or income redistribution. Getting rid of most of the FIT deductions, credits and exclusions makes perfect sense, yet takes away a lot of DC power (and money).
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