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    Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Over 50? Been unemployed for 1 year or longer?

    Many of my friends in that position are just dying on the vine, their only hope to qualify as "disabled" so they can draw SSD.

    Wouldn't it be better to admit someone with a less than 5% chance of finding work to the social security rolls without making liars out of them?

    What say you? Should there be a permanent benefit to sustain life for an older worker who is chronically unemployable?

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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    No, you should still be a member of the workforce. We cannot afford to give SS to those in their 50's that are unemployed. If anything we should increase the age of social security benefits.
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    We cannot afford to keep handing out disability to people like we do, either. I'd clarify that I'd take into account the economics and pay them a portion of what they would have gotten if they succeeded at a disability claim.

    In balance, I think this would rationalize things and might even save money. Say, 50% of their full benefit before age 62?
    Last edited by Pinkie; 08-10-12 at 07:22 PM.

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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    What use would that be. Lets take my unemployable ex-wife. She took SS at 62. By now, she's getting about $850. If it wasn't for me, where would she live on $850? No place decent I think.

    If she had retired at 55, she would now be getting $425.00. To what avail? Again, if it weren't for Mr. Nice Guy, she'd be in the streets OR collecting welfare to supplement her 1/2 SS.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    We cannot afford to keep handing our disability to people like we do, either. I'd clarify that I'd take into account the economics and pay them a portion of what they would have gotten if they succeeded at a disability claim.

    In balance, I think this would rationalize things and might even save money. Say, 50% of their full benefit before age 62?

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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    What use would that be. Lets take my unemployable ex-wife. She took SS at 62. By now, she's getting about $850. If it wasn't for me, where would she live on $850? No place decent I think.

    If she had retired at 55, she would now be getting $425.00. To what avail? Again, if it weren't for Mr. Nice Guy, she'd be in the streets OR collecting welfare to supplement her 1/2 SS.
    The thing is, no single, healthy adult without a dependent child is eligible for welfare, specklebang. Plenty of older people are exactly in the dire straits your wife could be in -- I grant you, a $425/month income seems like nothing at all, but that person might not starve.

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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Over 50? Been unemployed for 1 year or longer?

    Many of my friends in that position are just dying on the vine, their only hope to qualify as "disabled" so they can draw SSD.

    Wouldn't it be better to admit someone with a less than 5% chance of finding work to the social security rolls without making liars out of them?

    What say you? Should there be a permanent benefit to sustain life for an older worker who is chronically unemployable?
    Why are they unemployable?
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why are they unemployable?
    Well, many are professional people and they can't compete successful against younger professionals, nor can they get unskilled work. Not in this economy. Employers at fast food places and the like seem to be 100% convinced they'll leave for greener pastures, not realizing how unlikely it is that greener pastures will ever exist for these people.

    I'll add, many actually are disabled -- one of my friends has been battling MS for decades. They did work, despite their physical problems, and they'd give damned near anything to work again.

    They just cannot find a job.
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Well, many are professional people and they can't compete successful against younger professionals, nor can they get unskilled work. Not in this economy. Employers at fast food places and the like seem to be 100% convinced they'll leave for greener pastures, not realizing how unlikely it is that greener pastures will ever exist for these people.

    I'll add, many actually are disabled -- one of my friends has been battling MS for decades. They did work, despite their physical problems, and they'd give damned near anything to work again.

    They just cannot find a job.
    MS I could see getting SS for, not being able to find a job.
    Not so much.

    Why shouldn't everyone be able to get SS indefinitely for not being able to find a job?
    I've got 50+ (some former professionals) working for me, they had to go a different path, but they got a job doing something.
    Just my opinion, but maybe they need to look else where.
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Other than for actual significant mental/physical impairment, I'm not sure I believe anyone is "unemployable". It may not be the kind of work someone wants, but someone desperate for a job can usually find one.
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    We cannot afford to keep handing out disability to people like we do, either. I'd clarify that I'd take into account the economics and pay them a portion of what they would have gotten if they succeeded at a disability claim.

    In balance, I think this would rationalize things and might even save money. Say, 50% of their full benefit before age 62?
    Disability already comes out of the Social Security fund.

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