View Poll Results: Should Older Unemployed Workers Get Social Security?

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  • Yes, it's stupid to force people to pretend to be disabled just so they can survive.

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  • No, we can't afford it.

    11 40.74%
  • No, I don't believe older people have more trouble finding work.

    1 3.70%
  • No, we can't afford this.

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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Let's just cut to the chase here, if you want to work, then you work, if not then you get a gov't check to cover your desired lifestyle. If you want to do both then you get a gov't position. USA, USA, USA...
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Um. Second and fourth poll options are redundant.
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    The generations who grow up in this "new normal" will have markedly different ideas about employment than those of us who grew up when the ratio of jobs to seekers was 1:1.
    It's hard for us to comprehend the idea of looking for work and not being able to find a job of some sort.
    It used to be that the time it took to find a job was less than a couple weeks or a month.
    It has increased substantially since then.

    bls has the numbers if anyone wants details.




    This shows that people are looking longer than in years past before they give up.
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Over 50? Been unemployed for 1 year or longer?

    Many of my friends in that position are just dying on the vine, their only hope to qualify as "disabled" so they can draw SSD.

    Wouldn't it be better to admit someone with a less than 5% chance of finding work to the social security rolls without making liars out of them?

    What say you? Should there be a permanent benefit to sustain life for an older worker who is chronically unemployable?
    SS is already going broke, adding the "unemployable" to the mix would make it go broke that much faster. Bad idea Pinkie.

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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    They just cannot find a job.
    In other words, they're not unemployable, they're just unemployed.
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    What use would that be. Lets take my unemployable ex-wife. She took SS at 62. By now, she's getting about $850. If it wasn't for me, where would she live on $850? No place decent I think.

    If she had retired at 55, she would now be getting $425.00. To what avail? Again, if it weren't for Mr. Nice Guy, she'd be in the streets OR collecting welfare to supplement her 1/2 SS.
    By that age you should have a home paid for and be able to live off $850 pretty damn easy in smaller towns where the cost of living is not through the roof.
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    The thing is, no single, healthy adult without a dependent child is eligible for welfare, specklebang. Plenty of older people are exactly in the dire straits your wife could be in -- I grant you, a $425/month income seems like nothing at all, but that person might not starve.
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Over 50? Been unemployed for 1 year or longer?

    Many of my friends in that position are just dying on the vine, their only hope to qualify as "disabled" so they can draw SSD.

    Wouldn't it be better to admit someone with a less than 5% chance of finding work to the social security rolls without making liars out of them?

    What say you? Should there be a permanent benefit to sustain life for an older worker who is chronically unemployable?
    It would depend on why they're "unemployable". If, through no fault of their own, they absolutely can land a job, sure. If they've been a lazy ass their entire adult lives, no way.

    I'm 43 and I go to work and outwork 20-something-year-olds everyday. I've had ACL reconstruction, four broke ribs, two broken ankles, have a permanent shoulder injury, a screwed up back can only turn my neck a few degrees in either direction, so you'll excuse me if I'm very reluctant to buy into the cry baby bull****.
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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It would depend on why they're "unemployable". If, through no fault of their own, they absolutely can land a job, sure. If they've been a lazy ass their entire adult lives, no way.

    I'm 43 and I go to work and outwork 20-something-year-olds everyday. I've had ACL reconstruction, four broke ribs, two broken ankles, have a permanent shoulder injury, a screwed up back can only turn my neck a few degrees in either direction, so you'll excuse me if I'm very reluctant to buy into the cry baby bull****.
    And I thought I was all broke to hell,

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    Re: Let The Unemployable Have Social Security

    I'm not especially sorry nobody agrees with me. I realize it's a far-out suggestion.

    But I am disappointed so many of you think "anyone who wants a job can get one". That just ain't so.

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