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Thread: Chick-fil-A

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    I think the CEO of Chik-fil-A is a genius. He got millions of dollars of advertising for free and probably the busiest day of company history thanks to Huckabee and Fox, which the theme fit right into their base. I suspect it might have been planned.

    For the record I am Christian and have always respected CFA for putting it money where it mouth (beliefs) were and closing on Sunday. But I dont agree with the message.
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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think the CEO of Chik-fil-A is a genius. He got millions of dollars of advertising for free and probably the busiest day of company history thanks to Huckabee and Fox, which the theme fit right into their base. I suspect it might have been planned.

    For the record I am Christian and have always respected CFA for putting it money where it mouth (beliefs) were and closing on Sunday. But I dont agree with the message.
    This pretty much sums up my entire philosophy on the issue.

    Only, while I am a Deist and not Christian, having grown up in the bible belt and an early childhood christian myself, I still have respect for those who have other beliefs than me.

    And no, I don't agree with the opinion (considering it was in response to a question he tried to avoid) of the founder.
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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Do businesses have a right to expect that political activities done with their profits won't ever come around to bite them in the ass?

    No.

    If Whole Foods donated to the Imperial Klans of America I wouldn't shop there.

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Punishment is a strong word.

    So a couple of mayors said something stupid Wake... no one got "punished".
    If the government threatens they may take action that will restrict you from doing something that would generally be a somewhat lengthy process with many ways they could slow it up and likely would take significant cash resources to fight in court to get overturned, it's likely to cause you to rethink the actions you are/were going to take for fear of the threat becoming reality and causing your time and resources to be wasted. Even the threat of such a violation of the 1st amendment can cause damages which is part of what made the mayors statements problematic. Even if it was just a "threat", the government shouldn't be "threatening" tha they'll do something in violation of the constitution as a means of deterring people from taking legitimate action (in this case, action needed to open up a business).

    Specific to the OP's question alone:

    "Do you think a business owner should be able to hold an opinion and/or donate in favor of certain beliefs, without being punished by politicians/government?"

    Yes, I do, as long as the acti non the business's part isn't somehow illegal itself.

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Do businesses have a right to expect that political activities done with their profits won't ever come around to bite them in the ass?

    No.

    If Whole Foods donated to the Imperial Klans of America I wouldn't shop there.

    No they dont but its not just business that you dont like their political stands...its ALL OF THEM....If chikafil is going to be boycotted for its presidents beliefs...then JC Penny, Starbucks and Target and Amazon should be confronted with the same problems....there are two sides to this issue and if it isnt split down the middle the chikafil side has an edge.

    Boycotting and political tolls and financial tolls arent reserved just for those company stances we disagree with....The chikafil president agree with him or not...had every much a right to state what he feels as did the CEO of Amazon and Starbucks...like it or not.

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    No they dont but its not just business that you dont like their political stands...its ALL OF THEM....If chikafil is going to be boycotted for its presidents beliefs...then JC Penny, Starbucks and Target and Amazon should be confronted with the same problems....there are two sides to this issue and if it isnt split down the middle the chikafil side has an edge.

    Boycotting and political tolls and financial tolls arent reserved just for those company stances we disagree with....The chikafil president agree with him or not...had every much a right to state what he feels as did the CEO of Amazon and Starbucks...like it or not.
    Really, I was trying to point out out the inherent lack of specificity in Wake's poll.

    For a minute there I thought of not going to Chik-Fil-A in the heat of the controversy. But then I realized marriage equality is inevitable, no matter how much Chik-Fil-A donates to anti-gay bigot groups. So I keep eating there, because their chicken is awesome and they treat their employees better than most fast-food chains.

    In reality, no store is going to donate to universally unpopular campaigns or ideas. But that doesn't mean that activities undertaken by private companies will never have consequences out in the free market of ideas.

    No business owner has the right or even a good reason to expect that what they do and say will never affect their business. The idea of a city banning a business for their opinions is ridiculous and legally dubious, but individual consumers are free to vote with their dollars.

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Really, I was trying to point out out the inherent lack of specificity in Wake's poll.

    For a minute there I thought of not going to Chik-Fil-A in the heat of the controversy. But then I realized marriage equality is inevitable, no matter how much Chik-Fil-A donates to anti-gay bigot groups. So I keep eating there, because their chicken is awesome and they treat their employees better than most fast-food chains.
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    In reality, no store is going to donate to universally unpopular campaigns or ideas. But that doesn't mean that activities undertaken by private companies will never have consequences out in the free market of ideas.

    No business owner has the right or even a good reason to expect that what they do and say will never affect their business. The idea of a city banning a business for their opinions is ridiculous and legally dubious, but individual consumers are free to vote with their dollars.


    Your right in almost everything youve said including Gay marriage will be law eventually.....but presidents of business have free speech like everyone else...if their speaking their mind hurts their business that was their doing, they have to decide whether making a political statement is worth any changes to their business.
    Im sure the CEOs of Amazon, Starbucks, JCPenny thought about the consequences of their announcements just like Chikafil....what made the chikafil announcment much worse was...There was no huge outcry and footstamping over Amazon JCpenny and Starbucks...but OMG chikafil dareth say the opposite and everyone went STARK RAVING NUTS...then they flopped like a wet mop and it backfired...that was the problem with chikafil...if they had just accepted that the president of chikafil had as much right to state HIS opinion as Amazon and Starbucks there would have been far less an issue over all this...

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think the CEO of Chik-fil-A is a genius.
    I wouldn't say he's a genius, I think that he perchance had a bit of the ol' serendipity on this one.
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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Right up until this second...I have never set a foot inside a chikafil...but after reading these threads and many comments how good the chicken is damnit you got me wanting to try it and see if it is that good....the damn gay issue has no bearing on whether ill go in there or not or anywhere else for that matter..I still buy from amazon and jcpenny....ive been buying from pennies for decades not going to stop now.

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Right up until this second...I have never set a foot inside a chikafil...but after reading these threads and many comments how good the chicken is damnit you got me wanting to try it and see if it is that good....the damn gay issue has no bearing on whether ill go in there or not or anywhere else for that matter..I still buy from amazon and jcpenny....ive been buying from pennies for decades not going to stop now.
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