View Poll Results: Should business owners hold opinions/donate towards them without fear of punishment?

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Thread: Chick-fil-A

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Punishment is a strong word.

    So a couple of mayors said something stupid Wake... no one got "punished".
    No, they threatened use of government force against an individual exercising his rights.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    This whole issue about Chick-fil-A has imo boiled down to whether or not business owners have the right to hold an opinion/donate in favor of their beliefs, without being punished. The ACLU has even stepped up to defend Chick-fil-A's rights. I think that so long as the ACLU, which is typically left-leaning, supports the rights of businesses with vastly differing beliefs, America's freedoms are preserved. My simple yes/no question is this:

    "Do you think a business owner should be able to hold an opinion and/or donate in favor of certain beliefs, without being punished by politicians/government?"

    Depends on whether these beliefs fall against a protect class or not, for example.

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Depends on whether these beliefs fall against a protect class or not, for example.
    I don't know, if they are not actively discriminating or breaking laws, I don't think there is anything the government can or should do about it. It just needs to keep it's big trap shut instead of trying to score cheap political points.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know, if they are not actively discriminating or breaking laws, I don't think there is anything the government can or should do about it. It just needs to keep it's big trap shut instead of trying to score cheap political points.
    The question was phrased very open ended, because of that, protect classes was a point to be brought up.

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The question was phrased very open ended, because of that, protect classes was a point to be brought up.
    That's fine, I wasn't saying not to raise the point. I was clarifying on what I thought to be the original intent, and that would be holding an opinion or donating to certain organizations. Perchance that can be done illegally (though likely not with merely holding or expressing an opinion), but for nominal usages in which we are saying the individual is obeying the law and not infringing upon the rights of others.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The question was phrased very open ended, because of that, protect classes was a point to be brought up.
    Nitpicking at semantics is a classic detraction and avoidance method. Why do you wish to avoid the issue here?
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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Without fear of punishment.
    Thank you for the clarification. I voted "no," and here is why:

    If a CEO wants to make a comment that he knows full and well will be divisive and controversial, it is his right to do so.

    And it is NOT his right to believe that he is somehow immune from the consequences.
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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Nitpicking at semantics is a classic detraction and avoidance method. Why do you wish to avoid the issue here?
    I don't. I very clearly stated that the government has a good reason to do this when dealing with protected classes, from a constitutional standpoint.

    Another case would be if a business donates towards a terrorist or criminal organization.

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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    I know this totally, doesn't answer the poll, but I never really saw the appeal of the food Chick-Fil-A serves.
    It's always been kinda bland to me.
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    Re: Chick-fil-A

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I know this totally, doesn't answer the poll, but I never really saw the appeal of the food Chick-Fil-A serves.
    It's always been kinda bland to me.
    You need to get your tongue checked. Its yummy.

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