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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't see it as being necessary. If it's true that prospective gun owners already do some sort of class/training, an additional class on marksmanship seems unneeded. Seems to me like another way to hinder gun owners.
    It is not true that all gun owners already do some sort of training. My state, SD, is an example. We do not require a permit to buy any firearm. We do not require a permit to carry in your home or place of business. We do not require a permit to carry openly in public.

    We only require a permit to carry concealed. No class of any kind is required to obtain this permit. $10 and a simple application to the Sheriff's office will get you a permit in the mail within 2 weeks, provided you pass the background check.

    Further, we are moving away from requiring a permit at all, to carry concealed or otherwise (link). Permits will still be available so that citizens may take advantage or reciprocity laws with other states.

    We view the right to carry a firearm anywhere in public as fundamental a right as religion and speech.

    However, we also honor the concern over untrained persons carrying a lethal weapon. Our compromise, therefore, is to add basic gun safety as part of the mandatory highschool curriculum; a class taught by law local enforcement which would cover law, maintenance and basic marksmanship, to include range qualification.

    The end result would be a trained citizen lawfully enjoying their right to carry without be infringed upon by permit requirements. Both sides of the issue would get everything they want.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    I would perfer responsible gun owners to good shots. One does not necessarily have to be a good shot to defend their life or the life of others.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    I agree all people SHOULD have some training... the issue is that it would limit the right of the people to keep and bear arms

    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

    I guess everyone should have a college degree before they are allowed to exercise their right to freedom of speech... it's kinda the same thing.
    The same argument could be made with requiring voter ID in order to vote.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The same argument could be made with requiring voter ID in order to vote.
    No it could not. It is important in a democracy that voting be limitted to those that are eligible to vote and that requires POSITIVE identification of the voter. The law requires voters to be U.S. citizens, of at least age 18 that are RESIDENTS of the state/district that they are voring in. Obviously the poll workers must have some method of ensuring that each voter is permitted to vote only once and only as themselves in any single election; that requires, at a mimimum, positive identification of the voter. The very same state issued, photo ID is required for many other things including, but not limitted to, buying alcohol, tobacco, firearms, ammo and hunting/fishing licenses, cashing payroll, gov't and personal checks and using many other public services. To assert that NO personal costs or efforts be required to vote (or exercise) any other constitutional rights is absurd; are we to assume that a cab or limo must also be provided to transport each citizen to/from the voter registration/polling place? All that is required is for the requirement to be the least restrictive in order to accomplish the public good and a state issued, photo ID fits that bill for MANY rights and privileges, including voting and the purchase of firearms/ammo.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Why would photo ID requirement to perches a firearm be bad?
    Reporting for the Daily Constitutional: GA Anderson

    Although the specific objections vary, the bottom line for most opponents is that any 'firearm ID' law with a photo ID requirement would cause an undue burden, if getting one involves any cost, or could be an undue hardship for people that do not already have an acceptable photo ID.

    The undue burden objection usually refers to costs. Many states offer programs for free state ID cards, but other states charge fees that can range from $25 to $70. For the groups cited as being most disenfranchised by these costs; the elderly on fixed incomes, those on social services rolls, and many minority groups, that additional cost could be a factor causing them to not be able to lawfully defend themselves.
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    Last edited by Jerry; 08-09-12 at 08:52 AM.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the right constantly argues that Americans should have to get voter IDs in order to exercise their right to vote, I don't see why they'd have a problem with requiring training in order to exercise the 2nd amendment.
    if the left things people ought to show IDs to buy guns and have to submit to a background check, why does the left oppose merely having an ID to vote

    your response makes no sense-its only if the right wants people to prove literacy or intelligence would your analogy make sense

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if the left things people ought to show IDs to buy guns and have to submit to a background check, why does the left oppose merely having an ID to vote
    WHY? Do you know of any cases where dozens of innocent people were slaughtered by voters without proper ID?

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    I don't like guns and I am sad that the US Supreme Court decided Heller the way that they did. I say this not because of my vast con law knowledge, which is nonexistant, but purely from a base, emotional reaction.

    But this is a country of laws, and the Supremes have the last say. Gun ownership is now and forever more a fundamental right of every American -- a right government may not burden without a constitutionally sound reason.

    I don't think Heller set out a standard for measuring the need government must show before it can burden the right to own a gun, and I am not a student of all the cases on gun rights since 2005. But even if we are to use a "lemon test", IMO, 99% of the laws and municipal ordinances on guns now in existence fail.

    The question no longer is "what will most effectively reduce gun violence"? We're past that debate now, and those of us who engage in it are guilty of defying the very same Bill Of Rights we cling to so fervently on other issues.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if the left things people ought to show IDs to buy guns and have to submit to a background check, why does the left oppose merely having an ID to vote

    your response makes no sense-its only if the right wants people to prove literacy or intelligence would your analogy make sense
    I want to point out that, IMO, this post makes a perfectly ridiculous argument. Americans have an array of constitutionally-guaranteed rights, and the Supreme Court has always said government may burden some more than others. There are lemon tests for some and strict scrutiny for others.

    I'd also suggest that among all the rights Americans are guaranteed, the right to gun ownership is unique. Nowhere else is the tension between your rights and mine so obvious. There are many reasonable questions left to decide in this area, and I hope the Supremes speak to them, because the right to gun ownership is so dear to so many of my fellow citizens, and whatever burdens may constitutionally be placed on them are dear to me.

    But of all the restrictions that may be constitutional after Heller and its progeny, the obligation to demonstrate to some government official that you can shoot straight is a preposterous one, IMO.


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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Do you believe Americans should have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firearm? Why or why not?
    Absolutely not, that is functionally just another hoop in exercising rights and we shouldn’t be making it tougher to exercise our rights. If anything, marksmanship should be taught in high school.
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