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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Baloney. Even worse - its yesterdays baloney now in the bowl swirling downward.

    Here is what you said to another poster who simply takes a different position than you do on an issue:



    You admitting before the world that you have sharpened weapons skills so you can be ready to assassinate and murder those who may disagree with you.

    This is not the first time you have done this. Every time you do it it is disgusting and repulsive.

    Reality check for you: you are NOT John Brown or Joan of Arc or any other historic figure. You are simply a trust fund baby grown up with a fetish and obsession for guns and a mean streak which manifests itself in announced desire to commit assassination.

    That is not debate. It is advocating murder.
    I realize to government worshippers, my posts may cause projective vomiting or disruptive bowel syndrome or other distress but the fact is, there are lots of power hungry control freaks. I fully believe that if such people get into positions of power and try to oppress others, its legitimate to shoot them.

    the only people who should find this upsetting are would be dictators or Martinets. The main purpose of the second amendment's existence was to allow free men to take out dictators or oppressive government agents.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Glad to know if I ever run for for political office I have someone willing to assassinate me because I prefer firearm-owners to be capable of using them correctly.



    May I ask, why do you think you'd be disarmed and powerless? If you're capable of firing your weapon and hitting your mark, you should be capable of passing a marksmanship test. I believe we should be able to have well-armed and regulated citizen militias, that's the point of the second amendment. You'd still be able to purchase your weapon and keep it, you'd just be more trained if the time ever comes you'd need to use it.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    You'd still be allowed to purchase and keep the firearm, you would just need to undergo training beforehand. Your right is not harmed in anyway.
    So if you were required by law to take classes and get permits in order to talk on the phone,surf the internet, protest,be a member of a religion, write a book, be a member of the press your 1st amendment rights wouldn't be harmed in any way?



    I'll have to disagree with you there. We far behind in education compared to other countries and adding a firearm training class/course would take away from the important subjects such as math, science, and reading.
    School classes are generally 7-8 hours a day and there is generally 6-7 classes a day.How would reading math, and science be hurt by adding a firearms safety and training course? After the 3 Rs there is 3-4 classes a day left.Firearms safety and usage doesn't have to be a everyday thing either,it can be taught once or twice a week.



    It would also be useless if the students taught never go out and purchase a one. There's no reason to give extra work/training to students who may never want to/need to own a firearm.
    As of 2007 there is at least 270 million firearms in the hands of private citizens,with 4.7 out of the 8 million firearms being purchased in the US every year.Chances are a good chunk of those students will want or need to own firearms. So it would greatly benefit society to have generations of adults who for 12 years has had firearm safety and usage ingrained into them.


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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I answered no, because it is contradictory to the 2nd amendment. I do, however, think all Americans should takes a marksmanship course or learn how to shoot both long guns and hand guns. The result would probably be a drastic fall in violent crime, as people who like to shoot, and are skilled at shooting, tend to be more reverent of life in general, and have increased awareness of their surroundings and environment. Besides that, it's fun, and it's a nice skill to have.
    I think all schools should have rifle teams as varsity or intramural sports. I advocate every gun owner take both safety and marksmanship classes (which Is why I teach BOTH). in fact the more you shoot, the more likely you are to properly use a gun in a defensive situation. better shooters means more dead criminals which is a societal GOOD.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Do you believe Americans should have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firearm? Why or why not?
    They should have gun safety and maintenance training, but shooting, I am not seeing the point of that one.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I realize to government worshippers, my posts may cause projective vomiting or disruptive bowel syndrome or other distress but the fact is, there are lots of power hungry control freaks. I fully believe that if such people get into positions of power and try to oppress others, its legitimate to shoot them.

    the only people who should find this upsetting are would be dictators or Martinets. The main purpose of the second amendment's existence was to allow free men to take out dictators or oppressive government agents.

    I don't worship government. I see it as a necessary evil. Not the all nurturing all wise earth mother some do
    You have never ever ever been able to document with any evidence your GOVERNMENT WORSHIPPERS. They are simply straw men of your own invention and creation that exist only in the recesses of your imagination.

    The only people disgusted by your repeated macho chest beating thumping bragging about killing people are reasonable civilized people.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have never ever ever been able to document with any evidence your GOVERNMENT WORSHIPPERS. They are simply straw men of your own invention and creation that exist only in the recesses of your imagination.

    The only people disgusted by your repeated macho chest beating thumping bragging about killing people are reasonable civilized people.
    those who oppose honest people being armed are hardly reasonable or civilized

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I realize to government worshippers, my posts may cause projective vomiting or disruptive bowel syndrome or other distress but the fact is, there are lots of power hungry control freaks. I fully believe that if such people get into positions of power and try to oppress others, its legitimate to shoot them.

    True or false: You believe Barack Obama is a power-hungry control freak trying to oppress others.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those who oppose honest people being armed are hardly reasonable or civilized
    And just who would that be exactly who opposes "honest people" from being able to own weapons?

    You create these frankenstien monster strawman and pretend that they are real so you can rail against them. It is so silly as be a comedy of the absurd.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    True or false: You believe Barack Obama is a power-hungry control freak trying to oppress others.
    I think he hates America as it is constituted and wants to destroy suburban white america in order to pay off the urban areas. But I am far too smart to fall for your pathetic little trap

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