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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    oh there are many cases where the cause of civilization would be advanced by the surgical removal of certain individuals.

    I guess if one worships government as an infallible GOD one might disagree. But I can think of hundreds of politicians, despots, tyrants and monarchs whose timely assassinations would have advanced human liberty and societal good
    And you do not get to make that call.

    Why don't you go out and
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Jamesrage needs some sleep But I agree . . . However WISE it is to be skilled with a weapon; not everyone buys a firearm with the intent of using it. Setting up an exorbitant amount of per-requisites defeats the purpose of it being a right - that's also an option with flexibility.

    I bought mine so I could go to the range every now and then - rarely - and shoot . . . I didn't buy it or keep it to use as a weapon or even as protection at home. I bought it to learn with. . . nothing more. It was something I did to spend time with my ex when we were together - he was teaching me. . . I wasn't very good, though.

    And if I could, again, I'd buy another firearm and have my husband teach me - he's a certified sniper. . . he's got mad skills. But he doesn't like the idea of owning a firearm. To him it's all business . . . a sex appeal factor I can't compel him to work with me on much to my dismay.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Yes, I think that demonstrating basic familiarity with the workings of a firearm, and basic marksmanship should be a requirement to own a firearm. However I also think that those things should be taught on a voluntary basis in high-school, open to any student with their parents' permission, or any student 17 or older without it, so that anyone who wants the training can get it for free by the time they're old enough to own a gun anyway.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    I think it is a good idea. Maybe when you buy a weapon, you have 30 days to take a class in safety and basic marksmanship. You could learn what to do in situations where you witness a crime. Useful stuff.

    But you can buy the weapon first. Do we have compromise? :-)

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think the reasonable alternative is to mandate firearm safety and usage classes in public schools. We have don't run with scissors, don't touch drugs, and don't talk to strangers safety classes for elementuary kids.We have sex ed classes for middle and high school kids and we have drivers ed for highschool students and schools generally have some sort of emergency drills.So why not mandate firearm safety and usage?
    I have no problem with such a class being offered, but it shouldn't be mandated. It's too regional a topic. In some parts of the country, learning how to use a gun might be just as important as learning how to drive or how to have safe sex...but not everywhere. If you had a firearm safety class in Arlington VA, many of the students would wonder why you were wasting their time with such an irrelevant topic. Using a gun doesn't even occur to a lot of people around here; it's simply not part of their lifestyle.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you do not get to make that call.

    Why don't you go out and
    1- find these people who "worship government" - an immensely stupid phrase devoid of any actual intelligent meaning if there ever was one.
    2- back up your identification with lots of verifiable evidence to support your label.
    3- give us the name of the higher authority who anointed you as the Holy Protector of the Race.
    actually the purpose of having a well armed citizenry is to allow many to make that call

    if you are willing to pay the price you have the power to do that. If you are successful and those who are in power agree with you, you are a patriot. John Brown was hung as a traitor-later revered as a Hero. Joan of Arc killed the ENglish-burned as a heretic, canonized as a Saint.


    the fact is its better to be able to make the decision and have the power to do it than to be disarmed and powerless.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually the purpose of having a well armed citizenry is to allow many to make that call

    if you are willing to pay the price you have the power to do that. If you are successful and those who are in power agree with you, you are a patriot. John Brown was hung as a traitor-later revered as a Hero. Joan of Arc killed the ENglish-burned as a heretic, canonized as a Saint.


    the fact is its better to be able to make the decision and have the power to do it than to be disarmed and powerless.
    Baloney. Even worse - its yesterdays baloney now in the bowl swirling downward.

    Here is what you said to another poster who simply takes a different position than you do on an issue:

    One of the reasons why I practice all the time with weapons is in case people like you get into positions of power
    You admitting before the world that you have sharpened weapons skills so you can be ready to assassinate and murder those who may disagree with you.

    This is not the first time you have done this. Every time you do it it is disgusting and repulsive.

    Reality check for you: you are NOT John Brown or Joan of Arc or any other historic figure. You are simply a trust fund baby grown up with a fetish and obsession for guns and a mean streak which manifests itself in announced desire to commit assassination.

    That is not debate. It is advocating murder.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    One of the reasons why I practice all the time with weapons is in case people like you get into positions of power
    Glad to know if I ever run for for political office I have someone willing to assassinate me because I prefer firearm-owners to be capable of using them correctly.

    the fact is its better to be able to make the decision and have the power to do it than to be disarmed and powerless.
    May I ask, why do you think you'd be disarmed and powerless? If you're capable of firing your weapon and hitting your mark, you should be capable of passing a marksmanship test. I believe we should be able to have well-armed and regulated citizen militias, that's the point of the second amendment. You'd still be able to purchase your weapon and keep it, you'd just be more trained if the time ever comes you'd need to use it.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    I answered no, because it is contradictory to the 2nd amendment. I do, however, think all Americans should takes a marksmanship course or learn how to shoot both long guns and hand guns. The result would probably be a drastic fall in violent crime, as people who like to shoot, and are skilled at shooting, tend to be more reverent of life in general, and have increased awareness of their surroundings and environment. Besides that, it's fun, and it's a nice skill to have.
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