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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually it is not. The issue of felons and the mentally ill NOT being able to have the right to keep and bear arms is indeed relevant because it is an INFRINGEMENT which is permitted by law and is perfectly Constitutional. As such it is a reminder that the right is NOT unlimited or absolute.
    I have to agree with Haymarket, Turtle.

    No right is unlimited. Goes to the whole yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Ironically Retired Police Officers to be able to carry a concealed firearm and be covered under the federal statute have to qualify periodically to keep the right.
    I dont know of any states that have that requirement for concealed carry....there are points to be made on both sides...the worst thing in the world is an idiot carrying a gun that has absolutely no clue how to HOLD IT...AIM IT...EASE THE TRIGGER....load it...unload it...clean it..or unholster it...I have mixed feelings.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ironically Retired Police Officers to be able to carry a concealed firearm and be covered under the federal statute have to qualify periodically to keep the right.
    I dont know of any states that have that requirement for concealed carry....there are points to be made on both sides...the worst thing in the world is an idiot carrying a gun that has absolutely no clue how to HOLD IT...AIM IT...EASE THE TRIGGER....load it...unload it...clean it..or unholster it...I have mixed feelings.
    One of those is a professional the other is not. Should every driver have to take a professional driving course to get into a vehicle and drive?

    How good a person can shoot has little relevance in the private sector.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I have to agree with Haymarket, Turtle.

    No right is unlimited. Goes to the whole yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater.
    what you miss is prohibiting shouting fire in a theater where there is NO FIRE is a USE RESTRICTION not a possession restriction

    and I never said what Haymarket pretends to contradict.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually it is not. The issue of felons and the mentally ill NOT being able to have the right to keep and bear arms is indeed relevant because it is an INFRINGEMENT which is permitted by law and is perfectly Constitutional. As such it is a reminder that the right is NOT unlimited or absolute.

    Where Have I said otherwise. where I have problems with gun banners such as many in your party is that you want to make distinctions between competent law abiding civilians who work for government vs those who do not and throw out this nonsense about those who have-THROUGH DUE PROCESS-lost certain rights

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ironically Retired Police Officers to be able to carry a concealed firearm and be covered under the federal statute have to qualify periodically to keep the right.
    I dont know of any states that have that requirement for concealed carry....there are points to be made on both sides...the worst thing in the world is an idiot carrying a gun that has absolutely no clue how to HOLD IT...AIM IT...EASE THE TRIGGER....load it...unload it...clean it..or unholster it...I have mixed feelings.
    I don't know under which circumstances a person would purchase a firearm and not want to go shoot it at some targets. Guns are expensive, anyone buying one would want to get their moneys worth. Then after shooting the gun it needs to be cleaned.

    I suppose a spouse that didn't really want a gun that had one given to them by their spouse might not want to shoot the gun. They also wouldn't be likely to use it if they ever needed to defend themselves.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what you miss is prohibiting shouting fire in a theater where there is NO FIRE is a USE RESTRICTION not a possession restriction
    It was one example. I mean do I have to list the drug war etc? to get the point across, hehehe.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and I never said what Haymarket pretends to contradict.
    I'll take your word for it.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ironically Retired Police Officers to be able to carry a concealed firearm and be covered under the federal statute have to qualify periodically to keep the right.
    I dont know of any states that have that requirement for concealed carry....there are points to be made on both sides...the worst thing in the world is an idiot carrying a gun that has absolutely no clue how to HOLD IT...AIM IT...EASE THE TRIGGER....load it...unload it...clean it..or unholster it...I have mixed feelings.
    For real? That blows.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    That is fine as long as you have english training for free speech........

    And we know were this leads.........

    We know you want to eliminate a RIGHT.

    Sorry, cold dead hands..................

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    That is fine as long as you have english training for free speech........

    And we know were this leads.........

    We know you want to eliminate a RIGHT.

    Sorry, cold dead hands..................
    I had to like this. Anytime someone mentions "cold dead fingers" I have to laugh. Not at you, but myself.

    I used to believe that as well. Now at almost 50, with wife, daughter and a grand daughter I have much to protect. I am however not willing to sacrifice my family in that situation.

    I feel like Mel Gibson's character in "The Patriot" torn between protecting family and what is the right thing to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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