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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I believe the suggestion is that there is a large group of people who tend to vote Democratic that may be on the end of the socio-economic spectrum where the obtaining of proper ID may pose a financial burden akin to a poll tax. Another group is the elderly who may not have seen their proper papers in decades.
    Whether or not we agree on this matter, this is a threadjack IMO, haymarket. Ensuring/controlling voting rights in no way present the same challenges to government that voting rights do, and continuing to refer to this nonsequiter is a dishonest debating technique IMO.

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    yet ALL assert that voter ID laws will affect MOSTLY demorat voters, how can that assertion be proven?
    Why do you think this is so important to Republicans? If they thought it affected Republicans they'd be leading the charge against it.


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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    I have no problem requiring an ID...as long as the default positon is to allow people to vote. I do not beleive there is widespread voter fraud in the US, and voter fraud is a felony. If someone presents themselves at the polls without ID, take pics, fingerprints etc and follow up after allowing them to vote. If they were fraudlent, arrest them and fine them and throw them in jail. If there is any fraud out there, it would stop after a couple of prosecutions. I believe this issue is used by the Republicans, in a very small percnetage of the population to hinder poor democrats from voting. The real reason they make such a big deal of it is it fires up their base. More evils by "them" people which helps justify the Right Wings behaviors, next thing you know they will want free healthcare...
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    May I ask all of you that oppose any modification to the second amendment and increased gun control:

    Do you believe those who are mentally unstable should be able to possess a firearm? If no, do you believe there should be a law prohibiting the mentally unstable from obtaining firearms? Why or why not?

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    Do you believe convicted felons, specifically those who commit violent crimes (assault, battery, murder) should be able to own a firearm? If no, do you believe there should be a law that prohibits those offenders from acquiring those guns? Why or why not?

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Whether or not we agree on this matter, this is a threadjack IMO, haymarket. Ensuring/controlling voting rights in no way present the same challenges to government that voting rights do, and continuing to refer to this nonsequiter is a dishonest debating technique IMO.
    I agree. If you go back on previous pages you will see that the voting comparison was introduced by others. I merely replied to it. I would greatly prefer that voting comparisons NOT be a part of this discussion.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Do you believe those who are mentally unstable should be able to possess a firearm? If no, do you believe there should be a law prohibiting the mentally unstable from obtaining firearms? Why or why not?
    Perchance, it would depend on the level we are going for here. In general there are some mental illnesses which do severely limit rational thinking, morality, consequence, etc. If one is found to be so extremely infirm, then it can be reasonable to restrict their exercise of certain rights. But I wouldn't say that anyone buying a gun should be subjected to mental health evaluations either. There is an extreme in which it is reasonable to regulate I suppose, but that regulation will have to be spelled out and limited.

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Do you believe convicted felons, specifically those who commit violent crimes (assault, battery, murder) should be able to own a firearm? If no, do you believe there should be a law that prohibits those offenders from acquiring those guns? Why or why not?
    I think that any individual whom has completed their punishment with the State should once again have the full exercise of their rights recognized again.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Perchance, it would depend on the level we are going for here. In general there are some mental illnesses which do severely limit rational thinking, morality, consequence, etc. If one is found to be so extremely infirm, then it can be reasonable to restrict their exercise of certain rights. But I wouldn't say that anyone buying a gun should be subjected to mental health evaluations either. There is an extreme in which it is reasonable to regulate I suppose, but that regulation will have to be spelled out and limited.
    Do you believe the second amendment should be modified in any way?

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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Do you believe those who are mentally unstable should be able to possess a firearm? If no, do you believe there should be a law prohibiting the mentally unstable from obtaining firearms? Why or why not?

    and

    Do you believe convicted felons, specifically those who commit violent crimes (assault, battery, murder) should be able to own a firearm? If no, do you believe there should be a law that prohibits those offenders from acquiring those guns? Why or why not?
    With the mentally unstable, that would be a very difficult thing to show or prove, unless there was a violent history already, and the individual had been declared incompetent to make sound decisions.

    As for felons, I am of the opinion that once someone has paid their debt to society, they should regain full rights of the general population. If they are not deemed safe enough to own firearms, they should not be parolled and put back into society in the first place.
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Do you believe the second amendment should be modified in any way?
    Only in that it should say "No seriously, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"
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    Re: Should Americans have to undergo marksmanship training to be able to own a firear

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    With the mentally unstable, that would be a very difficult thing to show or prove, unless there was a violent history already, and the individual had been declared incompetent to make sound decisions.
    If the person is declared incompetent, I ask the same question. Should they be allowed to possess firearms?

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