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Thread: Civil Unions

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    Civil Unions

    Would you opposed to marriage between any 2 consenting adults being called a Civil Union at a government level for the benefits of marriage?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    I am interested if straight people care if the government refers to their marriage as a union. Tell me why or why not.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    I generally agree with this argument.

    Get the government out of marriage all together.

    Give every couple, no matter sexual orientation, race, religion, whatever government recognition as a civil union with all the benefits therein and leave the religious aspect of marriage to those individuals.

    So if you belong to a church that will marry two gay people, great.

    If you're a church that doesn't want to marry two gay people... you get the picture everyone wins.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    "Civil union" sounds like official friendship. If people didn't know it's a marriage substitute in advance, they'd think the same thing.

    Marriage is a romantic, artistic relationship that's meant to guarantee duty of care towards children. It only applies to people who can internally have children. You can go back to the paleolithic era to study the history of marriage to understand this.

    If people want to say that marriage "evolves" over time, then language is unreliable. You might as well believe in total anarchy.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    DNV.

    If civil unions come with the full list of financial benefits and social rights, then yes.

    I don't care what you call it. You can call it cheddar cheese if you want.

    Gay AMERICANS are entitled to everything that straight AMERICANS are.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    If people want to say that marriage "evolves" over time, then language is unreliable. You might as well believe in total anarchy.
    Language has always been and will always be fluid and shifting.

    The second point does not follow.

    Language is already quite unreliable in certain ways, and yet, we still have some semblance of order.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    "Civil union" sounds like official friendship. If people didn't know it's a marriage substitute in advance, they'd think the same thing.

    Marriage is a romantic, artistic relationship that's meant to guarantee duty of care towards children. It only applies to people who can internally have children. You can go back to the paleolithic era to study the history of marriage to understand this.

    If people want to say that marriage "evolves" over time, then language is unreliable. You might as well believe in total anarchy.
    That doesn't answer my question. Do you care what the government calls it?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I am interested if straight people care if the government refers to their marriage as a union. Tell me why or why not.
    I don't care what the government CALLS anything, much less what they CALL a marriage. Why would t

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    Re: Civil Unions

    I'm with Jetboogieman, get the government out of marriage. I would prefer to see no government recognition of any type of marriage or civil union or whatever label you choose to place on the relationship. Marriage is a religious and interpersonal contract which has no room for a third party (i.e. government). Humans have been conducting marriages for hundreds of years without government (or church) approval and there is no need for the continued acceptance of this asinine requirement. Free individuals have the right to marry whomever (or whatever) they damn well please.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Language has always been and will always be fluid and shifting.
    The point of civilization is to overcome imperfection, not relish in it. If language is always shifting, that means problems are never being solved, so we're uncivilized since we're forcing people to assume the risk of falling through the cracks.

    The second point does not follow.

    Language is already quite unreliable in certain ways, and yet, we still have some semblance of order.
    You just admitted the second point follows. Having some semblance of order is not having complete semblance of order.

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