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Would you opposed to marriage between any 2 consenting adults being called a Civil Union at a government level for the benefits of marriage?
If people want to say that marriage "evolves" over time, then language is unreliable. You might as well believe in total anarchy.
"Civil union" sounds like official friendship. If people didn't know it's a marriage substitute in advance, they'd think the same thing.
Marriage is a romantic, artistic relationship that's meant to guarantee duty of care towards children. It only applies to people who can internally have children. You can go back to the paleolithic era to study the history of marriage to understand this.
If people want to say that marriage "evolves" over time, then language is unreliable. You might as well believe in total anarchy.
I am interested if straight people care if the government refers to their marriage as a union. Tell me why or why not.
Language has always been and will always be fluid and shifting.
The second point does not follow.
Language is already quite unreliable in certain ways, and yet, we still have some semblance of order.
I don't care...
The point of civilization is to overcome imperfection, not relish in it. If language is always shifting, that means problems are never being solved, so we're uncivilized since we're forcing people to assume the risk of falling through the cracks.
You just admitted the second point follows. Having some semblance of order is not having complete semblance of order.
I generally agree with this argument.
Get the government out of marriage all together.
Give every couple, no matter sexual orientation, race, religion, whatever government recognition as a civil union with all the benefits therein and leave the religious aspect of marriage to those individuals.
So if you belong to a church that will marry two gay people, great.
If you're a church that doesn't want to marry two gay people... you get the picture everyone wins.
So what's your point? Perfect language and perfect society?
Many good lucks on that...
And having imperfect order is not having anarchy.
That doesn't answer my question. Do you care what the government calls it?
On this side of the pond we have civil union which is in all essence the same as marriage, Scotland has already proposed that by 2015 same-sex marriage will be available and I guess the rest of the UK will follow by 2020 if not sooner. I'm in full support but I think it's overdue that a same sex couple can choose to be married as opposed to forming a "civil union."Would you opposed to marriage between any 2 consenting adults being called a Civil Union at a government level for the benefits of marriage?
Would you opposed to marriage between any 2 consenting adults being called a Civil Union at a government level for the benefits of marriage?
dammit stop derailing my thread. It is a simple question. Do you care what the government calls it?
"Civil union" sounds like official friendship. If people didn't know it's a marriage substitute in advance, they'd think the same thing.
Marriage is a romantic, artistic relationship that's meant to guarantee duty of care towards children. It only applies to people who can internally have children. You can go back to the paleolithic era to study the history of marriage to understand this.
If people want to say that marriage "evolves" over time, then language is unreliable. You might as well believe in total anarchy.
Is a civil union exclusive or inclusive of a marriage? Can one REALLY benefit from simply using two words to mean "almost" the same thing? Why would that be "better" than simply using SSM?
The point of civilization is to overcome imperfection, not relish in it. If language is always shifting, that means problems are never being solved, so we're uncivilized since we're forcing people to assume the risk of falling through the cracks.
You just admitted the second point follows. Having some semblance of order is not having complete semblance of order.