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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    What about children? Do children contract their parents before being introduced into society?

    Marriage is irrelevant when children are removed from the picture. You don't have to be married to be in love.

    On the other hand, children had out of wedlock are exposed to not having guaranteed role models or provision.
    WTF are you talking about? Who said anything about children? I don't know if you were trying to make a comment so stupid it would kill brain cells, but if you were....congrats.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Would you opposed to marriage between any 2 consenting adults being called a Civil Union at a government level for the benefits of marriage?
    I don't really care what it's called, as it's a contractual agreement when it comes to legal and inheritance matters. What really matters (imo) is the relationship, and not the title given to it.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's what a civil union is.
    try harder. show me where i said anything about segregation.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    the question is not about offering a 2nd contract or different terms or even about gay rights or ssm or anything else. Simply whether or not you care about the term marriage as used by the government.
    I don't care what they call it, but if they offer it then it must be fairly offered.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    So what about a heterosexual couples who enjoy bondage, or female-into-male strap-on play?
    What about heterosexual couples who are a-sexual?

    Should they be denied marriage because their sexual inclinations are "unnatural"?? No? Just the gays? That's discrimination.
    I do not hide the fact that my view on sexuality, marriage and marriage law is and should be centered around procreation and the needs of the children born as a result of these unions. Disagree, ridicule, make fun of, etc with that view point all you want. It is my view point and it will remain my view point.

    Homosexual unions cannot be procreative. Women cannot produce sperm and men cannot produce eggs, both are need for procreation. The sexual inclinations you stated may indeed be viewed by some as "unnatural", however, if it is a heterosexual couple, then they may also participate in sexual activities leading to procreation. The instinct for sexual desires is deeply rooted in the species level instinct to reproduce, the taking of "mates" is rooted in instinct to provide for and protect the young produced as the result of the reproduction instinct. The fact that humans can exert control over instincts does not change the fact that these desires are based in an instinct for procreation and protection, nuturing of children. Heterosexuals who's "equipment" is broken or no longer functioning still experience these instincts.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I do not hide the fact that my view on sexuality, marriage and marriage law is and should be centered around procreation and the needs of the children born as a result of these unions. Disagree, ridicule, make fun of, etc with that view point all you want. It is my view point and it will remain my view point.
    If those are your personal views that's fine. However, can't a distinction be made between personal views and what is law?

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    the question is not about offering a 2nd contract or different terms or even about gay rights or ssm or anything else. Simply whether or not you care about the term marriage as used by the government.
    I don't see whether you call it Civil Unions or Marriage how that addresses the more serious legal issues?

    Even though marriage licenses are issued by states, federal marriage policy is extensive. The federal government has special tax rules for married people. It gives spouses rights and responsibilities under programs like Social Security. It offers benefits to the spouses of its several million employees. And it confers citizenship on foreigners based on their marriages to U.S. citizens.

    Should the federal government treat married gays as married, only if they live in jurisdictions that allow gay marriage?

    But what about gays who live in states that don’t have gay marriage? Should North Carolina be able to decide that its gay residents don’t get to file joint federal income tax returns, even if they are legally married by another state? Should gay federal workers get spousal benefits only if they work in gay marriage states? Or should the federal government treat gay couples as married no matter where they move?

    Some portion of marriage policy can be left up to the states. But gay marriage is also very much a federal issue requiring federal policy solutions regardless of what you call it.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria
    Then you're uncivilized. I don't talk with uncivilized people.
    She's uncivilized because she doesn't care what labels the government throws on private contracts? Wow, you're an idiot. Luckily for you I talk to idiots every day.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640
    Marriage is a contract. Just HOW do you get gov't out of contract law?
    Private contracts predate government.

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque
    The government must have some level of involvement in marriage because (1) it involves property, (2) more than half of all marriages end in divorce, which creates conflict over said property, (3) most marriages will involve minor children who, in the case of divorce, will also create a source of conflict.
    International trade involves property and the occasional conflict over said property. No government is involved in these issues, yet miraculously billions of dollars worth of goods are moved every single week. Your reliance on government for arbitration is misplaced and depressing.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    I don't think anyone would force a church to perform same sex marriages, however private businesses as well as the church would have to recognize same sex marriage for the purposes insurance, medical benefits, and the like.

    Private businesses have long been told what to recognize by the government- same sex marriage/union would be the same. A business may not like interracial marriage but they can't deny coverage to a mixed race couple.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    The civil union concept could elminate the petty differences both sides have about marriage. You could probably say that the idea of a union came before the concept of marriage and before governments got involved to regulate the unions which by then for all intents and purposes were called marriages. The argument that there is no such thing as traditional marriage is invalid. The idea that we can in modern times ignore what we know about homosexuality and how some people are compelled to live their lives because of the nature of how they are wired is unfair. We need to give up marriage in a legal sense because it longer represents the nature of relationships in our modern society. We can't change biology and we can't go back in time and change the compelling and overwhelming reason the concept of marriage was created. Call your union a marriage by whatever philosophical and spiritual ceremony you choose or don't call it marriage because you want to completely dissociate yourself from that ancient tradition. Remove marriage from the legal argument of what is fair. This stubborness is why we are not much further along in resolving the issue. Lets' stop being spoiled children only wanting it our way.
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