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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Would you opposed to marriage between any 2 consenting adults being called a Civil Union at a government level for the benefits of marriage?
    Sorry, but the Supreme Court rejected "separate but equal" in Brown v Board of Education.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not so long as the Marriage License exists. The marriage license is government issued and recognized contract, the individual has right to contract. So long as it exists, same sex couples should have their free exercise to the right of contract recognized.
    the question is not about offering a 2nd contract or different terms or even about gay rights or ssm or anything else. Simply whether or not you care about the term marriage as used by the government.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not so long as the Marriage License exists. The marriage license is government issued and recognized contract, the individual has right to contract. So long as it exists, same sex couples should have their free exercise to the right of contract recognized.
    What about children? Do children contract their parents before being introduced into society?

    Marriage is irrelevant when children are removed from the picture. You don't have to be married to be in love.

    On the other hand, children had out of wedlock are exposed to not having guaranteed role models or provision.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Regardless of what name they want to use, if the purpose is to extend the benefits enjoyed by a normal union (marriage) to those who want benefits based upon a union founded in unatural acts, then I am definitly against it. I am not against homosexual unions that simply recognise two peoples commitment to each other, I am only against the extension of marriage benefits.

    "unatural acts"
    (sic) Same-Sex Behavior Seen In Nearly All Animals

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Sorry, but the Supreme Court rejected "separate but equal" in Brown v Board of Education.
    wtf does that have to do with my question?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    I don't oppose civil unions, I would favor enacting them for all "marriages." The straight marriage is no more special or commitment driven than the homosexual marriage. Marriage is a social thing and different societies define it differently, that's why I could support enacting state recognized unions and just allowing individuals to say they are married or not married.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    wtf does that have to do with my question?
    Tf it has to do with your question is that the government cannot instiute a segregated system. This means no "marriage" for straights and "civil unions" for gays. It is marriage for both or marriage for none. Those are the only two Constitutional options.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Tf it has to do with your question is that the government cannot instiute a segregated system. This means no "marriage" for straights and "civil unions" for gays. It is marriage for both or marriage for none. Those are the only two Constitutional options.
    when did i say anything about a segregated system or any system. Please show me where i said that.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    when did i say anything about a segregated system or any system. Please show me where i said that.
    That's what a civil union is.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Honestly, so long as you call it a Civil Union, and the benefits are only those that are directly related to THE GOVERNMENT, I have no problem with it. Taxes, inheritance, etc.... on the GOVERNMENT side. So long as it would not require non-governmental entities (employers, etc...) to accept it as the equivelant of a marriage, that's fine with me. The moment they start trying to force private (non-governmental) entities to act as if it's a marriage, then I have issues with it.
    18% of U.S. companies already recognize domestic partners for the purpose of healthcare benefits, family leave, etc. They realize what the American people have yet to do: it's not worth the effort to discriminate against same-sex unions. There are better fish to fry.

    For those who think it should be a state issue? I don't think that's right either. The effect of that concept is that if a same-sex couple is legally married in Massachusetts and subsequently moves to a state who doesn't recognize them? That state can and will deny their rights to the 'contract aspects' of marriage.

    Anti-discrimination of same-sex marriages should be handled at the Federal level as a Civil Rights issue and let's just fry bigger fish.

    Just because it's interesting: SSM became legal in Massachusetts in 2004. In its first year, 6,000 couples were married, 64% of them female. In the second year? 1,900 couples were married. By contrast, 36,000 heterosexual marriages is the average yearly count. Spouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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