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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Would you opposed to marriage between any 2 consenting adults being called a Civil Union at a government level for the benefits of marriage?
    Is a civil union exclusive or inclusive of a marriage? Can one REALLY benefit from simply using two words to mean "almost" the same thing? Why would that be "better" than simply using SSM?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    dammit stop derailing my thread. It is a simple question. Do you care what the government calls it?
    Of course. Communication is the foundation of community.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    "Civil union" sounds like official friendship. If people didn't know it's a marriage substitute in advance, they'd think the same thing.

    Marriage is a romantic, artistic relationship that's meant to guarantee duty of care towards children. It only applies to people who can internally have children. You can go back to the paleolithic era to study the history of marriage to understand this.

    If people want to say that marriage "evolves" over time, then language is unreliable. You might as well believe in total anarchy.
    Wow...a total lack of knowledge when it comes to language. Even in modern times it is quite evident that language and definitions change. Gay use to mean that a person was happy. Now it is used almost exclusively to refer to homosexuals. Same with "faggot". It use to mean a bundle of sticks...when was the last time someone told you that they were going to get a faggot and have it mean a bundle of sticks?

    More evidence is that there are dead languages. IE languages that no one speaks anymore.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Is a civil union exclusive or inclusive of a marriage? Can one REALLY benefit from simply using two words to mean "almost" the same thing? Why would that be "better" than simply using SSM?
    I am not saying one is better than the other. The question is more really to see if people, mostly straight people, care what the government refers to their relationship with another person as for legal reasons.

    For instance if the governement stopped acknowledging the term marriage and changed it to a Union yet you lost no benefits or anything other than the title was changed at the government level to Union. Would you care?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    The point of civilization is to overcome imperfection, not relish in it. If language is always shifting, that means problems are never being solved, so we're uncivilized since we're forcing people to assume the risk of falling through the cracks.



    You just admitted the second point follows. Having some semblance of order is not having complete semblance of order.
    There will NEVER be the kind of order that you are talking about. It is an impossibility. And why would you want it anyways? If there was complete order in everything then we would stagnate and die off. Chaos, for want of a better term, is necessary to our survival. It helps us grow and think and expand.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Wow...a total lack of knowledge when it comes to language. Even in modern times it is quite evident that language and definitions change. Gay use to mean that a person was happy. Now it is used almost exclusively to refer to homosexuals. Same with "faggot". It use to mean a bundle of sticks...when was the last time someone told you that they were going to get a faggot and have it mean a bundle of sticks?

    More evidence is that there are dead languages. IE languages that no one speaks anymore.
    Actually, I agree with you. The homosexual community should be ashamed of embracing the term "gay" because it discriminates against people who are actually gay. Now, gay people can't say who they originally are without appearing homosexual.

    The same applies to faggot. The term's "evolution" is rather arbitrary:

    The Straight Dope: How did "faggot" get to mean "male homosexual"?

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    dammit stop derailing my thread. It is a simple question. Do you care what the government calls it?
    Yes. I don't think that it is right for any religion to push government out of something which it was involved in far longer than that religion.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Actually, I agree with you. The homosexual community should be ashamed of embracing the term "gay" because it discriminates against people who are actually gay.[/url]
    They should be ashamed of embracing the term "gay"? Really?

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There will NEVER be the kind of order that you are talking about. It is an impossibility. And why would you want it anyways? If there was complete order in everything then we would stagnate and die off. Chaos, for want of a better term, is necessary to our survival. It helps us grow and think and expand.
    Actually, it's called peace, and its impossibility is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's only impossible because people say it's impossible.

    Chaos, on the other hand, is violence. It's deliberately inefficient. It's like evaluating the growth of a city by how noisy it is, not how smooth it is.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Would you opposed to marriage between any 2 consenting adults being called a Civil Union at a government level for the benefits of marriage?
    I don't give a flying **** what the government calls it. The only problem I'd have with civil unions/marriage would be if churches were required by law to perform those marriages. That's all anyone should be concerned with, since, in my opinion, marriage is more of a religious ceremony than anything else. The rest of it? Simple Contract Law.

    I'm tired of all the energy being expended to deny a couple what really amounts to nothing more than a legal contract. I think most of the opposition comes from religious people and their institutions. The Catholic Church has long not recognized the unsanctified marriage of a Catholic to someone outside their faith. This is no different. Everybody's happy.
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