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    Re: Civil Unions

    Ive always said Im just fine with civil partnerships. Thats a choice between two people to do whatever they want to do..as long as there is no official marriage tag. Im just fine with gay couples having the power of attorney and visiting rights and all like that... Where I dont agree is that two men or two women should be sharing pensions and benefits, social security and getting tax breaks over and above the rights of all single men and women
    Id like to make note there that I find it peculiar that many of the people that demand govt get out of marriage...want the govt intruding into our lives in even more insidious ways. Either your for govt out of our private lives entirely or your not
    Last edited by lpast; 08-07-12 at 02:22 PM.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    1)2) Would you agree that children universally are entitled to male and female role models?
    Sure, but unfortunately, in todays society, masculine homosexual females are more "manely" than the average male in our society and many "feminine" homosexual males are more feminine than the average American female today. This whole unisex thing is really screwing up our society in respect to traditional masculinity and femininety.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I'm not opposed to it, because that's what many "marriages" are. A legal civil union between two people. Marriage is a religious institution.
    (bold mine)

    It is also a government-licensed institution.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    answering the bolded bits

    Which "tradition" are you using? What is commonly seen as "traditional marriage" in America today is less than 200 years old. One can't use the Bible as justification for opposite sex marriages between one man and one woman because there are multiple citations of polygamous marriage in the text.


    Which culture are you talking about when you write "compelling and overwhelming reason"? There are many reasons we know of, for a societal blessing of sexual partnerships. Primary in most of them has related to just who gets to keep the 'stuff' accumulated, when the dominant member, mostly the male but not in all societies, dies
    You cannot take the exception and make that the rule. Just because it was done differently at some place and time doesn't make it relevant to our society and many, many other societies. Should we use some isolated South American tribe as an example and change laws and traditions in our country based on what they do? Your argument bears no weight.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    (bold mine)

    It is also a government-licensed institution.
    The government sticking it's beak into marriage has nothing to do with what it is and isn't.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Unfortunately, the way you phrased it, I had to vote that I was opposed. I am not against all marriages being called civil unions and doing away with the "marriage" label entirely, but no, I don't want there to be one class of relationship called "marriage" and another class of relationship called "civil union". We already have a perfectly good word for it, let's just use the same word for all of them and be done with it.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Separate but equal isn't. Whatever same sex and opposite sex marriages are called, they must be called the same thing. They must BE the same thing. Anything else is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    No, this would be my preferred solution to the whole issue of gay marriage.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Separate but equal isn't. Whatever same sex and opposite sex marriages are called, they must be called the same thing. They must BE the same thing. Anything else is unconstitutional.
    I don't agree with this idea. I agree that the rights granted to homo- and heterosexual couples need to be identical, but I don't think it's necessary that they're called the same thing.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    if they need to be identical, then they are the same thing, it is a piss poor fig leaf for a few to call one marriage and the other a civil union when they are the same. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

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