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Was Karl Marx a bad person?

Was Karl Marx a bad person?

  • Yes, he espoused evil beliefs intentionally

    Votes: 16 19.0%

  • No, he was just misguided, and possibly loony

    Votes: 27 32.1%

  • No, he was right

    Votes: 17 20.2%

  • IDK/Other

    Votes: 24 28.6%
  • Total voters
    84
TheDemSocialist said:
No.
He was a philosopher, critiquing capitalism, history, and what comes next in history.
He was right on some points and wrong on other points.
But no he was not a "bad person".
So i voted "IDK/Other"
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Oh please he advocated terror, forced appropriation through violence, and democide, not to mention he was an overt racist.
 
starcitizen said:
Oh please he advocated terror, forced appropriation through violence, and democide, not to mention he was an overt racist.
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Please provide the section(s) of his writings where he advocated terror, forced appropriation through violence and democide.
 
By looking at the poll it looks like this forum is fairly left leaning.

Marx created the fraud to appeal to the brain dread masses, just like all propagators of socialism and communism they live the life of luxury benefiting from all of the positives of capitalism.

His teachings are used by the elites to attract the disgruntled masses to then use their anger to centralize government control. Communist/capitalist elites use the anger of the people to then create their own nightmare socialist state.
 
starcitizen said:
Oh please he advocated terror, forced appropriation through violence, and democide, not to mention he was an overt racist.
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He does not seem to understand that communism/socialist states only work through terror and intimidation. Communism and freedom can never work as they both contradict each other.
 
PakPuk said:
He does not seem to understand that communism/socialist states only work through terror and intimidation. Communism and freedom can never work as they both contradict each other.
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Yeah, Sweden is a very violent place.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Yeah, Sweden is a very violent place.
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Fabien socialism and complete socialism/communist state are two different things.


On the issue of violence in Sweden there has actually been a dramatic increase in criminal damage and sexual violence in the last 20 years since Sweden pursued less immigration rules and a larger welfare state.
 
PakPuk said:
Fabien socialism and complete socialism/communist state are two different things.


On the issue of violence in Sweden there has actually been a dramatic increase in criminal damage and sexual violence in the last 20 years since Sweden pursued less immigration rules and a larger welfare state.
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Hmmm, answer me this question...according to you less of a welfare state means less violence?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Hmmm, answer me this question...according to you less of a welfare state means less violence?
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Larger welfare state= more dependency+more immigration+more crime
 
PakPuk said:
Larger welfare state= more dependency+more immigration+more crime
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Well, then the largest welfare states are in the very violent countries of Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland and Norway. All countries well known for extreme violence, and terror. On the other hand the countries with basically no welfare type state like Somolia is a very peacful and a loving nation with hardly any violence?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Well, then the largest welfare states are in the very violent countries of Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland and Norway. All countries well known for extreme violence, and terror. On the other hand the countries with basically no welfare type state like Somolia is very peace and a loving nation?
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Sweden has got some of the highest rates of sexual violence in the world largely down to high levels of immigration from countries that rarely value women's rights. Norway and Iceland are not part of the EU which helps them limit immigration.
 
PakPuk said:
Larger welfare state= more dependency+more immigration+more crime
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Now to address the immigration part of your post...countries with the strictest immigration laws are less violent like Germany during WWII. Got it.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Now to address the immigration part of your post...countries with the strictest immigration laws are less violent like Germany during WWII. Got it.
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You can't have weak immigration laws and a welfare state most often it results in high levels of immigration.
 
MadLib said:
Do you think Karl Marx was a bad person for devising Marxist-style communism?

I'm not endorsing his viewpoints with this thread, I'm just seeing what everyone's opinion is.
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Marx was an economist and political philosopher; a very brilliant one at that, but the idea that he 'invented' communism or had anything to do with the states that created little fascist régimes in his name is pretty ludicrous. That's like blaming Jesus for the Crusades and Inquisition.
 
Andalublue said:
Marx was an economist and political philosopher; a very brilliant one at that, but the idea that he 'invented' communism or had anything to do with the states that created little fascist régimes in his name is pretty ludicrous. That's like blaming Jesus for the Crusades and Inquisition.
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Fascist states were socialist states.
 
PakPuk said:
Sweden has got some of the highest rates of sexual violence in the world largely down to high levels of immigration from countries that rarely value women's rights. Norway and Iceland are not part of the EU which helps them limit immigration.
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So misleading....according to this article Sweden has such high rates because of the way they record them which makes perfect sense: Sweden Rape Rate under the Spotlight BBC News.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
So misleading....according to this article Sweden has such high rates because of the way they record them which makes perfect sense: Sweden Rape Rate under the Spotlight BBC News.
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So the BBC says it and it makes it true? Seriously?
 
PakPuk said:
Fascist states were socialist states.
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Saying so doesn't make it so. I've debated this point so often here that I'm not about to do so again and, in any case, would have nothing to do with the topic as to whether Marx was a 'good person'.

The little fascist régimes I was referring to, in any case, were the likes of the Soviet Union, China and the countries of the Warsaw Pact. I'll leave your little fantasies about the far right fascist states of mid-20th century Europe and Asia to stew in their own juices.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Um, silly me. I should take your word over their report:lol:
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I guess you just ignore the increasingly high proportion of foreign offenders even when they count 2nd generation immigrants as 'Swedish'.
 
Andalublue said:
Saying so doesn't make it so. I've debated this point so often here that I'm not about to do so again and, in any case, would have nothing to do with the topic as to whether Marx was a 'good person'.

The little fascist régimes I was referring to, in any case, were the likes of the Soviet Union, China and the countries of the Warsaw Pact. I'll leave your little fantasies about the far right fascist states of mid-20th century Europe and Asia to stew in their own juices.
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Germany was a socialist state between the years 1933-1945.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Hmmmm, then who is behind 75% of the crime:2razz:
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Again they count people born to immigrant parents as Swedes which amount to 20%. So you are telling me it is normal to have 45% of crime committed by 19.6% of the population?
 
PakPuk said:
Again they count people born to immigrant parents as Swedes which amount to 20%. So you are telling me it is normal to have 45% of crime committed by 19.6% of the population?
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Correlation does not imply causation. More than likely, those people moving in are poor and lived in very poor conditions. You then compare that to people who are born and lived in a socialist country that provided them with a very good standard of living. That does not equal immigrants are violent. You need to look at all the variables.
 
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