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    Re: Was Karl Marx a bad person?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Do you think Karl Marx was a bad person for devising Marxist-style communism?

    I'm not endorsing his viewpoints with this thread, I'm just seeing what everyone's opinion is.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx a bad person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Not necessarily. A sophist is just ignorant about some things. But who doesn't?
    sophists are used car salesmen, snake in the grass, with a talent for lying.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx a bad person?

    One must put Karl's words in historical context. No democracy, no human rights, no labor rights, well... no rights. In that context, yeah, rise up and take control of your authority. But in the modern world? With representative government far beyond anything Karl imagined? No. It's just outdated economic philosophy.

    Why would he be a bad person? He's just an ancient person who didn't have a clue what future governments would look like. Monarchy turned into capitalism and that to free market economics with rights and laws.

    His developed country -> socialism -> communism is just a simple utopian conjunction.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx a bad person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    sophists are used car salesmen, snake in the grass, with a talent for lying.
    Well, may be so, but in Ancient Greece sophist were just teachers for pay, much like those yoga teachers or motivating speakers today. I think very few of them were hypocrites and deceivers, most being just sincere ignorants.
    Read Protagoras by Plato.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx a bad person?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Do you think Karl Marx was a bad person for devising Marxist-style communism?

    I'm not endorsing his viewpoints with this thread, I'm just seeing what everyone's opinion is.
    What's the criteria for good and bad?

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    Re: Was Karl Marx a bad person?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemSocialist
    Das Kapital is a great series (that is, if it doesnt put you to sleep within the first 50 pages )
    I'll agree, but if you're a serious masochist, sit down with a copy of Wealth of Nations sometime. That book should come with a 2 liter of Dr. Pepper. It's so dry and mealy, and I swear that Smith intentionally made himself vague and obtuse, speaking in tongues like some African tribe.

    Hatuey is mostly right. Marxism is both a critique and an endorsement of capitalism. The only problem with his views is that they are too optimistic and ideal, and lack pragmatism across the board. Empirical evidence tends to favor other schools of thought, such as classic economics and those based on early French and Austrian ideology.

    Marx was well-meaning in his thoughts, but unfortunately he was too brainwashed with social acceptance and appeasement, catering to the lowest common denominator. He was a sympathist, being a lawyer from a well-endowed family, just as Trotsky was a factory owner and member of the bourgeoisie, and Che Guevara was pretty close to being a wealthy doctor before he got some bug up his ass.

    I definitely would not call him evil, but I think he was more of a soapboxer who wanted to be loved more than understood. His opinions in relation to major economic truths, such as Labor Theory of Value and the Water-Diamond Paradox, are nothing below laughable. Marx was a statistical nightmare, and was nothing but a starry-eyed optimist.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx a bad person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    it put me to sleep within the first 50 pages
    Drink coffee then.


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    Re: Was Karl Marx a bad person?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Marx did'nt come up with communism .... communism as a concept has existed over the centuries ...

    Marxism isn't an economic system, its an analysis of Capitalism, and to this date its analysis hasn't ever been refuted and is to this day one of the best.

    Most of the people that hate Marx havn't read Marx
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    I would go much further and suggest, in addition to that, 'most people that have read Marx- do not understand Marx. And that is not altogether surprising considering the complexity of his unfinished works.

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    Re: Was Karl Marx a bad person?

    How many examples do you need of the children of the ruling classes playing Leftist before you realize that hereditary power is the real enemy of civilization? Before finding a cause to assert his unearned feeling of superiority, Marx was a drunken preppy fraternity snob just like Bush. Bush ran away from his innate evil by hiding behind God, while Marx hid behind turning government into Godzilla.
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    Re: Was Karl Marx a bad person?

    As AIG and 1001 other banks prove in 2008.

    he was right.

    Free trade will piss of USA to no end and bring about revolution..........(he will be right agian)

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