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    Re: Do Democrats hate wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    It exists? As in it grows on trees? Or it is the product of someone's individual effort? It seems to me that libals believe the former since they like to claim it as their own to do with as they see fit, rather than respect it as the property of others to with as they see fit. Without wealth and without the ability to confiscate the wealth of others, liberalism ceases to exist.
    It seems to me that you once again have no clue what liberals think. Since the last was too complex for you, I will simplify: some people are wealthy. We know this. Some are born to it, some get lucky, some work incredibly hard for it. There is nothing wrong with being wealthy. We are not for being wealthy, we are not against it, both positions would be unrealistic. It is simply something that is.

    Now, what you describe is your biased and unreasoned description of how you see others in an attempt to demonize a position you cannot actually argue against. What you are doing would be almost exactly like if I described conservatives as being against the poor, that the only use conservatives have for the poor is for slave labor for themselves. The poor should shut up and take what you let them have, and don't forget to shop at the company store. That is not an accurate description of conservatism, just as your description of liberalsim has a similar complete lack of basis in reality.
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    Re: Do Democrats hate wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Liberals do not have a position on wealth. We are not for it, against it. It exists. What is the conservative position on the moon?
    I don't know about conservatives, but I personally want to see us up there looking down instead of all of us down here looking up. Lets go there, tap the resourse and exploit them for expansion. Kind of like liberals policy on wealth.

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    Re: Do Democrats hate wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Re-do the thread with why do liberals target the rich for their rhetoric and we can discuss.
    It's because they get their knickers in a bunch about wealth they can't control.
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    Re: Do Democrats hate wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's because they get their knickers in a bunch about wealth they can't control.
    And you continue to show that you have no understanding of what liberals think, and no ability to debate liberals other than to build straw men.
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    Re: Do Democrats hate wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    It exists? As in it grows on trees? Or it is the product of someone's individual effort? It seems to me that libals believe the former since they like to claim it as their own to do with as they see fit, rather than respect it as the property of others to with as they see fit. Without wealth and without the ability to confiscate the wealth of others, liberalism ceases to exist.
    All of which requires the mental focus of a contortionist. And a lot of pretending.

    Since it is obvious that rich people pay for most of what liberals want to do, what is the logic of castigating them while trying to get everyone else to support taxing them more?

    It does explain their desire to control speech. The big lie is always waiting to emerge.

    Like Obama telling us we can't go back to the policies of the past.

    Uh.. like what policies have you changed Barak?
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    Re: Do Democrats hate wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's because they get their knickers in a bunch about wealth they can't control.
    What exactly do you think a liberal is?

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    Re: Do Democrats hate wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And you continue to show that you have no understanding of what liberals think, and no ability to debate liberals other than to build straw men.
    And your response, when I asked you what they do think, is that they don't.
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    Re: Do Democrats hate wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    What exactly do you think a liberal is?
    I think liberals are stuck on equality of outcome versus equal protection of the law.

    I think they want the poor, lower, and middle classes to receive more from... somewhere... without considering what implications that has on the entity providing more to them.

    I think they want to force the terms of private employment contracts, forcing employers to pay more than they need to or agree to.

    I think they fail to see the way need-based handouts encourage the culture to learn to be needy.

    I think they blame a lack of savings on insufficient income rather than on people's choice to spend all their money rather than save any.

    I think liberals want peace all around but fail to grasp some of the basics about financial incentives, basic human behaviorism, and individual rights.

    I think liberals understand the delicate environmental balance we're ****ing with, but refuse to acknowledge how helping the poor and feeding the hungry and giving everyone a maximum standard of living is ultimately environmentally destructive.
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    Re: Do Democrats hate wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It seems to me that you once again have no clue what liberals think. Since the last was too complex for you, I will simplify: some people are wealthy. We know this. Some are born to it, some get lucky, some work incredibly hard for it. There is nothing wrong with being wealthy. We are not for being wealthy, we are not against it, both positions would be unrealistic. It is simply something that is.
    You continue to say that wealth 'exists' or that is is 'simply something that is.' But wealth has a source. It has to be created. Which is why it exists in abundance in some places and is absent in others. So I am not arguing against what you believe regarding wealth, I am attempting to point out the flaw in thinking the way you do.

    Now, what you describe is your biased and unreasoned description of how you see others in an attempt to demonize a position you cannot actually argue against. What you are doing would be almost exactly like if I described conservatives as being against the poor, that the only use conservatives have for the poor is for slave labor for themselves. The poor should shut up and take what you let them have, and don't forget to shop at the company store. That is not an accurate description of conservatism, just as your description of liberalsim has a similar complete lack of basis in reality.
    To say, as I did, that without the ability to confiscate the wealth of others liberalism would cease to exist is not biased or unreasonable, but fact. It is impossible liberalism to exist as a political reality if it cannot first confiscate from some the wealth it plans to transfer to others. Liberalism is about correcting what is seen by some as an unequal distribution of wealth that freedom and the free market create. The liberal antidote is coercion, theft and redistribution. I admit that that is not a particularly flattering description of liberalism, but it is accurate just the same.

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    Re: Do Democrats hate wealth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And your response, when I asked you what they do think, is that they don't.
    Oddly enough, that was not my response. So lies on top of straw men. Well done!
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