View Poll Results: Which is more reprehensible?

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    2 3.39%
  • Intentionally living off welfare

    57 96.61%
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I wonder the amount of people that actually enjoy living off welfare.... Im guessing its a very slim amount.
    But point being no matter what kind of gov assistance program, a slim amount are going to take advantage of that.
    I did not enjoy it. It is an awful style of life.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Who is "we"? If you mean "we" with about probably a very very very small minority of Americans...
    Not sure what your trying to say, but if you really want, I will change my previous statement to:

    Welfare as it exist in America today should not exist.

    It is illogical to use limited resourses to maintain intentionally non-productive members of our society or to limit the negative affects of poor choices. Workfare, not welfare, is the only logical choice as it makes all participating in it to make positive contributions to society.

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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Not sure what your trying to say, but if you really want, I will change my previous statement to:

    Welfare as it exist in America today should not exist.

    It is illogical to use limited resourses to maintain intentionally non-productive members of our society or to limit the negative affects of poor choices. Workfare, not welfare, is the only logical choice as it makes all participating in it to make positive contributions to society.
    Workfare? What jobs? Isnt everyone bitching and complaining about the job market? And what exactly is wrong with our welfare system? "Affects poor choices"? What "poor choices"? The "choice" of being impoverished?


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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Obviously intentionally living on welfare. But tell me, what percentage of welfare recipients do you think intentionally live on it?

    Oh everyone thats not making a million a year strives to live on welfare...Ive been trying to get on it all my life...lol

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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It's more reprehensible for someone making $1 million annually to complain about any poor slob living off welfare.

    There couldnt be a more perfect response to this silly stuff

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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Workfare? What jobs? Isnt everyone bitching and complaining about the job market? And what exactly is wrong with our welfare system? "Affects poor choices"? What "poor choices"? The "choice" of being impoverished?
    Workfare is the requirement to perform work or sevices inorder to receive what in the US would be a welfare check. There are all kinds of jobs that need to be done everywhere that we do not have the tax monies to pay for, sometimes because we are paying welfare people to do nothing. Things like picking up trash along highways, mowing public places, then you create things like labor camps to do large projects that are needed and farms to supply the food they eat (limited to the needs of those in the workfare system, not to compete with private markets). These farms could even grow the cotton, gin it into thread and make the clothers needed by workfare people.

    Poor choices, lots of them. Not getting the education you need to stay employable even though you had plenty of opportunities. Quiting school and not getting the education you need to become employable and ending up on welfare. Choosing to open your legs and getting knocked up at 13-14 thus limiting you education options that later affect your employment options. Choosing not to wear a seat belt and you eat a windshield and now society has to support you.

    Each an every individual is in their current situation, unless born disabled (including mentally), because of the choices they have made in thier life. This country is in the shape it is in because of choices the people made politically in the past. We were once the Country of opportunity, there were few limits (discrimination falls under this) on what individuals could accomplish other than their own unwillingness to do for themselves, now we have beome a society where many are selfish, lazy and want socialistic methods to provide for them by stealing from those who do to give to those who won't.

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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They're not basically living off charity...at least not the government's. Very few poor people are doing that. Poor families/communities have lots of coping mechanisms that don't even occur to wealthier people. Relying on extended family, working under the table (at legal or illegal jobs), selling/pawning items (both legal and illegal), etc. There is a vibrant economy in poor communities, and although it's a totally alien way of life to many people, there are other sources of income besides the government. Very few people can live off of the meager anti-poverty allowance they get from the government.

    I don't agree. There are a large percentage on Welfare who have no assets and there's a good probability they'd be homeless without it. I've been very poor and am well aware of the alternative methods and addon's that assist in making ends meet. And IMO there's not that many that really add much. Many of the more illegal activities that make the most get you landed in jail. Decades ago poor people had less help and lived with less than in today's world but the cost of the basic necessities has also increased. To hear you put it those in poverty would do just as well without gov programs, though I sincerely doubt it.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    First by REQUIRING a highschool eduction, drug testing and public service to get ANY public assistance. If you have a pet that you can not (or will not) properly care for you are fined and the pet is removed to a shelter, usually placed for adoption. The idea that by simply having a child that you can not (or will not) care for somehow entitles you to gov't funding is INSANE social policy and has contributed to (if not outright caused) a HUGE increase in out of wedlock childbirth; current rates for out of wedlock child birth in the USA are 70% for blacks, 50% for hispanics and 30% for whites. It is no secret that the chances of these children dropping out of school and turning to a life of crime are MANY times greater with no daddy in the "familiy" yet we subsidize this destructive behavior regardless of it being PROVEN to be VERY bad for the children that we PRETEND to be "helping".
    No question that a lifestyle of continued reliance on welfare does exactly what you've described. Now, as for the solution:

    REQUIRING a highschool eduction, drug testing and public service to get ANY public assistance.
    If Mom (who knows where or even who dad is) doesn't have a high school education, then she doesn't get public assistance. What happens next?

    Drug testing: Mom smokes dope. What happens next?

    Florida tried that, BTW, and discovered that fewer welfare recipients than a random sample of the general public were on drugs, but that's an aside.

    Public service: Now, that might have some merit. Of course, there would have to be some provisions for child care.
    But: Mom doesn't show up, or shows up drunk or stoned. What happens next?
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Oh everyone thats not making a million a year strives to live on welfare...Ive been trying to get on it all my life...lol
    Oh yes, I try to make sure my entire family loses their jobs so that we can all wallow in the stench of poverty for the rest of our days!
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    "A poor girl wants to marry, And a rich girl wants to flirt.
    A rich man goes to college,And a poor man goes to work.
    A drunkard wants another drink of wine,And a politician wants a vote.
    I don't want much of nothin' at all,But I will take another toke.

    'Cos I ain't askin' nobody for nothin',If I can't get it on my own.
    If you don't like the way I'm livin',
    You just leave this long-haired country boy alone."

    CDB- Longhaired Country Boy

    Nuff said.

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