View Poll Results: Which is more reprehensible?

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  • Earning more than $1,000,000 annually

    2 3.39%
  • Intentionally living off welfare

    57 96.61%
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    I don't see what could possibly be reprehensible about making a lot of money, in and of itself.

    All welfare recipients do it intentionally, and many of them are using the system appropriately and in good faith, so there's nothing reprehensible about that either, in and of itself.

    In order to make a clear judgment about either of these things, I'd need to be presented with an individual situation. How is the millionaire making their money? What sort of situation is the welfare recipient in?

    I voted for the welfare recipient, simply because at best (it's being used as intended and in good faith) it still indicates that something bad has happened in someone's life, and at worst it's being abused by someone who is manipulating the system. It's never good news that someone is on welfare, even if they have a very good reason. It always sucks to be in such dire straights that you would need it.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Both are equally good at it's face.

    What's hurtful about earning 1,000,000 annually is if those millions were earned by corporate welfare in the forms of bailouts, government granted monopolies, excessive litigation, patents and other things that are unfree and harmful to the market.

    Intentionally being on the dole, a source revenue that isn't just welfare but also WIC, EBT, medicare, getting government financial aide for taking online classes, and other forms of "I'm poor" double dipping, can be hurtful to the individual who does this as it is making them dependent.

    There is nothing wrong with accepting money from the government. There is no amount of restitution the government can pay you to repair the ill effects of public school, technological stagnation, encouraged criminality and all the other things the government does to us against our will and to the benefit of criminals and corporate interests. The money you get from the government is money they already stole from you.

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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    How is making a million bucks a year reprehensible, unless of course, it comes from illegal activities? I'd make a million a year in a flash if I could.

    There's nothing reprehensible about living on welfare for a while, either, unless the recipient just sits back and makes welfare a way of life. That is the deadly sin of sloth, is it not?

    Anyone can get in a situation that requires that he/she swallow pride and take charity.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Obviously intentionally living on welfare. But tell me, what percentage of welfare recipients do you think intentionally live on it?
    I don't know what the percentages are. But I suspect alot more are than should be.

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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    To you, which is more reprehensible?
    Depends on how the money is earned... if it's from selling drugs, fraud, coning, hustling, etc. then that is worse than being an honest person living on welfare. If it's hard worker with an honest job, then being on welfare is obviously the bigger problem.

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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Living off of welfare while making more than $1m. If a company is able to pay ANYONE $1m, then they are obviously doing well enough that they don't need government subsidies, tax breaks, contracts and all the other things I don't know about because I'm a lower class schlub.

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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    I understand the spirit of the poll but the options are poorly worded. Should someone who is on welfare not intentionally live off it? Better to die?

    Welfare fraud; which seems to be the crux of the question is not some massive and insidious force however. Even in nations with very strong social safety nets have rather little of it; anecdotal cases become a political firestorm every few years but individuals do not make a pattern.

    To answer the question neither is inherently more reprehensible. Either one can be done honestly or dishonestly; there is nothing wrong with honestly making money. Nor is there anything wrong with honestly needing help to survive.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    "Living off welfare" is mainly a fallacy. Welfare is far from a meaty check. The people that stay on welfare are very much so a minority
    Agreed. As with any program, there is abuse (and no programs have more abuse than those originating at the Pentagon), but anyone that thinks that our welfare rolls have very many members that are living proudly and well, is pretty damn ignorant.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by monty View Post
    I don't know what the percentages are. But I suspect alot more are than should be.
    Any is more than there should be. However, the people that live off the check is a minority. The majority of welfare recipients use it for what it was designed for, as a boost back on your feet.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Agreed. As with any program, there is abuse (and no programs have more abuse than those originating at the Pentagon), but anyone that thinks that our welfare rolls have very many members that are living proudly and well, is pretty damn ignorant.
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    I don't understand how people assume that every welfare recipient is living well off of it. If they have seen the tiny number that is on that check, then they would have a better understanding.
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