View Poll Results: Which is more reprehensible?

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    2 3.39%
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    People can wear nice clothes and still be broke. And careful with your pronouns, BTW.
    If you (the common you and not "you" specifcally. . ) can afford nicer clothes living on welfare than I can working then you either aren't broke or your priorities are ****ed up.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Apparently this question is extremely easy to answer. Living off welfare on purpose is extremely disgraceful.

    What we fail to admit is that "on purpose" is a very subjective judgment call. I have personally met people who have been drug addicts for years and were informed that if they convincingly told a psychiatrist they heard and were tormented by voices, they would likely get on SSDI and get a bunch of subsidized prescriptions (a couple of which might even be marketable on the streets). So they dump the antipsychotics and sell the benzodiazepines or trade up for something they enjoy more.Needless to say this counts as "intentionally living off welfare," but if you talk to these people they'll swear up and down about their disability. They might even convince you they really are profoundly disabled. How can you prove someone is not in fact hearing voices? Well you can notice signs that they seem to function socially like normal folks when you see them in the community, or perhaps you're aware they're testing positive for opioids and amphetamines when they get brought in to the ER by police for being intoxicated in public. But who knows? Maybe they really ARE schizophrenic nonetheless?

    So perhaps when we talk about "intentionally living off welfare," we should be referring to SSDI, keeping in mind that it's fairly easy to give up and allege "I can't work" but also that there is a very subjective notion that one "cannot" work period.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Why is living on welfare intentionally reprehensible if there must be an intention behind getting on welfare to begin with? Intentionally doing something doesn't give us a clue as to the context the action was carried out anymore than earning a million dollars tell us anything about how the money was gotten?

    Example, there are disabled people who must intentionally live on welfare because they simply don't have the physical capability required for jobs.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    It is immensely funny to watch people have a cow and complain about the 'intentionally' live off welfare bit. As if it never happens (it does).. in order to further deny it, let's guess the million dollar guy is a drug dealer!... oh what great fun you guys.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    If you (the common you and not "you" specifcally. . ) can afford nicer clothes living on welfare than I can working then you either aren't broke or your priorities are ****ed up.
    When was it ever the prerogative of food stamps, Medicaid, and other programs designed to relieve the suffering of the poor to decide what they do with the little money they do have? I must have missed the "Rich Only" sign in front of the halls of America's freedom.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why is living on welfare intentionally reprehensible if there must be an intention behind getting on welfare to begin with?
    The intention is to get money for doing nothing.

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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why is living on welfare intentionally reprehensible if there must be an intention behind getting on welfare to begin with?
    Intention has nothing to do with how one gets on welfare and everything to do with not getting off welfare. It should be a short-term solution, a social safety net that catches people when they fall and allows them to climb back up again. Unfortunately, most people who go on welfare get there and stay there for as long as they can. That's what's reprehensible.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    When was it ever the prerogative of food stamps, Medicaid, and other programs designed to relieve the suffering of the poor to decide what they do with the little money they do have? I must have missed the "Rich Only" sign in front of the halls of America's freedom.
    as I said, if you choose to spend your limited resources on nice clothes and gold chains instead of bettering your situation, then you are intentionally living off welfare and your priorities are jacked up and you have no right to complain.

    I have a cousin who is always bitching about how he can't afford health insurance. but both he and his wife smoke two packs of cigs a day. if he chooses to spend $300 a month on cigs instead of on insurance, then it is not my problem that he can't "afford" health insurance.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    as I said, if you choose to spend your limited resources on nice clothes and gold chains instead of bettering your situation, then you are intentionally living off welfare and your priorities are jacked up and you have no right to complain.

    I have a cousin who is always bitching about how he can't afford health insurance. but both he and his wife smoke two packs of cigs a day. if he chooses to spend $300 a month on cigs instead of on insurance, then it is not my problem that he can't "afford" health insurance.
    Food stamps can only be spent on food. Medicaid can only be spent on health care. Failure to do so is illegal. If the rich are entitled to do whatever they like with their remaining cash, then so are the poor.

    Some people seem to be so eager to dump poor people into the shredder that they completely miss much more pressing problems in our society. That, and those of them who are Christians often forget about what Christ really said.
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    Re: Which is more reprehensible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Food stamps can only be spent on food. Medicaid can only be spent on health care. Failure to do so is illegal. If the rich are entitled to do whatever they like with their remaining cash, then so are the poor.
    But it's not money that belongs to the poor, so no, they are not "entitled to do whatever they like with remaining cash." It's money that provides a basic need to them that everyone else has to pay for, in addition to their own.

    Some people seem to be so eager to dump poor people into the shredder that they completely miss much more pressing problems in our society. That, and those of them who are Christians often forget about what Christ really said.
    He didn't say anything about installing politicians who will guarantee everyone's living standards. His words and influence were actually a threat to powerful bureaucracy, not a call to support more of it.
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