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    Re: If a man wants to ban interracial marriage, does that make him a bigot or a racis

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The purpose of of marriage is the transfer of property rights. And it was never afforded to the lower classes through out history.
    Quite correct. Marriage has not been about procreation. It may well have been a side issue at some place and time, but not the historic reason for marriage.

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    Re: If a man wants to ban interracial marriage, does that make him a bigot or a racis

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What do you think? Is there any plausible reason to favor this discriminatory marriage policy, other than bigotry/racism?
    "If a man wants to ban interracial marriage, does that make him a bigot or a racist?"

    the only answer is YES

    and its the only correct answer because he is trying to ban it, stop it from happening ever again etc

    If he simply THOUGHT it was wrong and wouldnt do it himself but was fine if others did it, then not so much
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    It is always man this man that I swear y'all Are so phallocentric it is like a gay bar. Let's talk pussy mmkay

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    Re: If a man wants to ban interracial marriage, does that make him a bigot or a racis

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Don't make me start a new topic: If a man, or woman, wants to ban beastiality does that make him, or her, a bigot?
    Explain how those two are anyway related?

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    Re: If a man wants to ban interracial marriage, does that make him a bigot or a racis

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Explain how those two are anyway related?
    In the parallel universe most of us inhabit, the one we refer to as the "real world", they aren't.
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    Re: If a man wants to ban interracial marriage, does that make him a bigot or a racis

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Explain how those two are anyway related?
    Slippery slope buddy, slippery slope.
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    Re: If a man wants to ban interracial marriage, does that make him a bigot or a racis

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If the minority gay community wants the majority of the population to consider their right to marry as a civil rights issue, they'd serve themselves much better by approaching it in the same way MLK approached the black issue in the United States. Their Gay Rights Parades are a far cry from the marches for civil rights.
    People of color got NOTHING -- legislatively -- from peaceful marches, eloquent speeches, refined and stately processions of dignified people in their Sunday best walking great distances in orderly procession. The worth of such actions was in defining and identifying with their own cause.

    What really shifted things was civil disobedience **in the context** of a polity who took seriously the worth of fellow human beings...to the degree that the sheer violence and absurdity of segregation could no longer be pretended away.

    In other words, people of color didn't get (some) civil rights recognized by the law through being polite and catering to the sensibilities of the ignorant and entitled; they got them by putting their lives on the line and successfully enlisting the solidarity and aid of those among the privileged who were prepared to take responsibility for an unjust order they benefit from by sharing some small piece of the danger.

    MLK, Jr., SNCC, and the millions of non-famous people involved in overturning de jure segregation were successful NOT by playing nice, but by forcing government to address them and take a side...and demonstrating (through their sacrifice) the glaring injustice of the law.

    A major challenge in engaging in civil disobedience today is that the political climate (for many reasons) is so backwards and callous that there's a much higher and more demanding threshold to cross before general witnesses of state violence identify with those who are being brutalized. It's not just a case of some ridiculous contest of which oppressed group of people has suffered some arbitrary required amount of violence and dispossession until they are sympathized with...rather there's also a much broader challenge of getting privileged people (on any given axis) to interrupt their own complicity in a form of oppression (which involves taking real risk to themselves) when they don't really have to and when the social climate is such that solidarity is a fading and minority principle.
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    Re: If a man wants to ban interracial marriage, does that make him a bigot or a racis

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    "Culture" is not an immutable, unchangeable fact of your identity like gender or race are.
    Actually, "race" is cultural. The catch is that it is assigned to/imposed upon individuals (involuntary) and so -- while NOT biological and NOT immutable -- it doesn't typically change for an individual unless they take radical measures (like moving to a different region of the world with a different "racial" mythology. It IS chosen, just in a very inarticulate way...and NOT by the individual in question.

    Orientation, of course, is by the preponderance of scientific evidence a biological imperative.

    Having said all that, it doesn't change the ethical basis of opposition to discrimination on either grounds (i.e. racist discrimination or homophobic discrimination). While "race" isn't ACTUALLY something you ARE (it's something a racist society imposes upon you), it's still something beyond the control of the individual being "racially" assigned, so for purposes of examining the ethics of discrimination, it is equivalent.
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    Re: If a man wants to ban interracial marriage, does that make him a bigot or a racis

    This is nothing but a really bad bait thread.

    I changed my mind.

    My friends mom (rest her soul) was a good women who did not like interracial marriages, and you know why? It sure as hell was not because she was a bigot or racist. She felt that multiracial kids (back in the 80's) would have a really tough time identity etc. I can tell you from being bi-racial that she is absolutely correct, it was harder, but now times have changed.

    Kandahar, you need to come up with something better than this baiting tripe.
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    Re: If a man wants to ban interracial marriage, does that make him a bigot or a racis

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is nothing but a really bad bait thread.

    I changed my mind.

    My friends mom (rest her soul) was a good women who did not like interracial marriages, and you know why? It sure as hell was not because she was a bigot or racist. She felt that multiracial kids (back in the 80's) would have a really tough time identity etc. I can tell you from being bi-racial that she is absolutely correct, it was harder, but now times have changed.

    Kandahar, you need to come up with something better than this baiting tripe.
    uhm but the obvious question is did she want to ban it or make it illegal?

    not liking it is different dont you think?

    also on the other end of your story I am also biracial as you already know and grew up during that same time even younger, i had no identity problems at all

    again not saying your mom was wrong because it was just an opinion but it was a very narrow view of reality because I could probably list 100 things that would have a similar effect on a child.
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