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August Prediction Poll! Who will win - Obama or Romney?

Who would win?


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I think mney will win if he articulates a credible plan to stimulate economic growth, because the country wants to go in a different direction. But not otherwise.

I agree, but he can not articulate a credible plan to stimulate economic growth. All he has to offer are the same old tried and failed tinkle on economics of the Cons; the tax cut for all reasons.
 
As it stands, many of the right's solid constituents see Obama as a threat for various reasons. He's not hated by the world, he's not a neo-imperialist, the guy has a pretty cool and collected demeanour about him. He's Clinton Part II and very little seems to stick to him. That alone may be enough for many of your brethren to come out and vote against him.

He could not carry Clintons jock
 
This is what I wrote on the other thread "What is the Truth" in US Elections


Romney will win this one .... close, but enough to make him Chief of State.

One can be wrong of course but that's the vib I am getting right now.

If I'm wrong laugh at me.... if I'm not .... well admit I was right! ;)
 
It's awful. I'd gladly vote conservative but there are none that have a chance! Republicans are more liberal than Democrats and they both are too liberal to do any good

These mainstream "Conservatives" are social fascists.
 
Sadly a real Conservative can not win..............

So you'll vote for a liberal with a R next to his name instead of voting for a real conservative.
 
With the exception of Jon Huntsman, Romney was the only sane and intelligent candidate compared to the rest of the geniuses that the GOP put up in the primaries. Face it, whatever "real conservative" you had in mind wasn't going to have a prayer in the primaries, much less the general election.

I maintain my position that Mitch Daniels (pbuh) was the answer to our need; and would have done just fine.
 
With the exception of Jon Huntsman, Romney was the only sane and intelligent candidate compared to the rest of the geniuses that the GOP put up in the primaries. Face it, whatever "real conservative" you had in mind wasn't going to have a prayer in the primaries, much less the general election.

As a real conservative, Huntsman was my candidate.
 
So you'll vote for a liberal with a R next to his name instead of voting for a real conservative.

As Ronald Reagan used to put it, someone who agrees with you 70% of the time is better than someone who agrees with you 30% of the time.
 
Well, that is one way to actually avoid adressing the points.

Oh gee, I figured you and a few others were doing avoiding addressing the points, so others should be allowed to as well.
 
As Ronald Reagan used to put it, someone who agrees with you 70% of the time is better than someone who agrees with you 30% of the time.

A rather idiotic "philosophy", IMO.
In truth, Reagan was no genius....as was Carter....Funny thing, though....the non-genius makes a better President...
As to the "real conservative" not having a chance......Thank God !
 
As Ronald Reagan used to put it, someone who agrees with you 70% of the time is better than someone who agrees with you 30% of the time.

He is pro-abortion,believes in the man made global warming fairy tale,supports cap and trade, practically invented Obama-care, pro-gay marriage, appointed liberal judges, anti-2nd amendment, pro-illegal immigration and pro-outsourcing. I am against those things he supports and believes in. So what is the 70% of stuff I agree with Romney on?


The Mitt Romney Deception
Despite recent statements across the country by Governor Mitt Romney claiming he's pro-life, pro-family and a committed conservative, a broad investigation of his actual statements, actions, and public positions over the years indicates that he has spent his entire career speaking and governing as a liberal - and that his new found conversion to conservatism very likely coincides with his candidacy for the presidency.


The Mitt Romney Deception
Socialized medicine.

The Mitt Romney Deception
Severe gun control

The Mitt Romney Deception
Pro-abortion

The Mitt Romney Deception
Pro-gay marriage

The Mitt Romney Deception
Appointed gay and liberal judges to positions.


The Conservative Voice News and Columns

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...usetts_li.html

http://www.boston.com/news/local/bre...ork_at_ro.html
Standing on stage at a Republican debate on the Gulf Coast of Florida last week, Mitt Romney repeatedly lashed out at rival Rudy Giuliani for providing sanctuary to illegal immigrants in New York City.

Yet, the very next morning, on Thursday, at least two illegal immigrants stepped out of a hulking maroon pickup truck in the driveway of Romney's Belmont house, then proceeded to spend several hours raking leaves, clearing debris from Romney's tennis court, and loading the refuse back on to the truck.

In fact, their work was part of a regular pattern. Despite a Globe story in Dec. 2006 that highlighted Romney's use of illegal immigrants to tend to his lawn, Romney continued to employ the same landscaping company -- until today. The landscaping company, in turn, continued to employ illegal immigrants.


Why We Hate Mitt Romney So Much :: :: FITSNewsFITSNews
Seriously, if this guy isn’t struck by lightning at some point during the 2008 campaign there’s no justice in the world. After all, it’s one thing to flip-flop on every issue under the sun in an effort to fool people into thinking you’re something you’re not, but Romney is now taking the art of bull***** to a whole new level - attacking people for doing the same stuff he did.

Romney’s latest swipe alleges that Hizzoner Giuliani is “soft on immigration” because he turned New York into a “sanctuary city” for illegal immigrants.

Of course what Romney failed to mention was that three cities in Massachusetts formally declared themselves to be “sanctuary cities” (i.e. cities that promise to provide government services to illegal immigrants) during his term as governor, and Romney did absolutely nothing about it.



Page 2: Giuliani Vows to End Illegal Immigration - ABC News

Sanctuary Cities Under Romney

But Giuliani's campaign said that Romney's aggressive charge on this issue is inconsistent with Romney's record. While governor of Massachusetts from 2003 until 2007, three cities in Romney's home state – Somerville, Cambridge, and Orleans -- either declared or reissued declarations stating that they are in essence sanctuary cities.

supports cap and trade.
Romney On Cap And Trade In 2003: 'I Am Making Good On My Pledge' To Clean Up Carbon Pollution 'Harming Our Climate' | ThinkProgress

supports outsourcing
How Mitt Romney Invested Millions in Outsourcing - Forbes
 
A rather idiotic "philosophy", IMO.
In truth, Reagan was no genius....as was Carter....Funny thing, though....the non-genius makes a better President...
As to the "real conservative" not having a chance......Thank God !

Conservatives have made some of our best presidents; it is the "conservatives" that you need to avoid
 
A rather idiotic "philosophy", IMO.
In truth, Reagan was no genius....as was Carter....Funny thing, though....the non-genius makes a better President...
As to the "real conservative" not having a chance......Thank God !
No wonder, there is no such thing as a genius. No one knows everything, and certainly no one has complete sound logic. In fact their knowledge, and especially their arrogance, can clouded their vision.

A President job is not to have the greatest ideas, but to be a leader, make tough decisions, and relate to the average man. That is what made Reagan a great president.
 
As Ronald Reagan used to put it, someone who agrees with you 70% of the time is better than someone who agrees with you 30% of the time.

Depends on how much value one places on that 30% as opposed to the 70%.
 
He is pro-abortion,believes in the man made global warming fairy tale,supports cap and trade, practically invented Obama-care, pro-gay marriage, appointed liberal judges, anti-2nd amendment, pro-illegal immigration and pro-outsourcing. I am against those things he supports and believes in. So what is the 70% of stuff I agree with Romney on?

The Mitt Romney Deception
Despite recent statements across the country by Governor Mitt Romney claiming he's pro-life, pro-family and a committed conservative, a broad investigation of his actual statements, actions, and public positions over the years indicates that he has spent his entire career speaking and governing as a liberal - and that his new found conversion to conservatism very likely coincides with his candidacy for the presidency.

The Mitt Romney Deception
Socialized medicine.

The Mitt Romney Deception
Severe gun control

The Mitt Romney Deception
Pro-abortion

The Mitt Romney Deception
Pro-gay marriage

The Mitt Romney Deception
Appointed gay and liberal judges to positions.

The Conservative Voice News and Columns

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...usetts_li.html

http://www.boston.com/news/local/bre...ork_at_ro.html
Standing on stage at a Republican debate on the Gulf Coast of Florida last week, Mitt Romney repeatedly lashed out at rival Rudy Giuliani for providing sanctuary to illegal immigrants in New York City.

Yet, the very next morning, on Thursday, at least two illegal immigrants stepped out of a hulking maroon pickup truck in the driveway of Romney's Belmont house, then proceeded to spend several hours raking leaves, clearing debris from Romney's tennis court, and loading the refuse back on to the truck.

In fact, their work was part of a regular pattern. Despite a Globe story in Dec. 2006 that highlighted Romney's use of illegal immigrants to tend to his lawn, Romney continued to employ the same landscaping company -- until today. The landscaping company, in turn, continued to employ illegal immigrants.

Why We Hate Mitt Romney So Much :: :: FITSNewsFITSNews
Seriously, if this guy isn’t struck by lightning at some point during the 2008 campaign there’s no justice in the world. After all, it’s one thing to flip-flop on every issue under the sun in an effort to fool people into thinking you’re something you’re not, but Romney is now taking the art of bull***** to a whole new level - attacking people for doing the same stuff he did.

Romney’s latest swipe alleges that Hizzoner Giuliani is “soft on immigration” because he turned New York into a “sanctuary city” for illegal immigrants.

Of course what Romney failed to mention was that three cities in Massachusetts formally declared themselves to be “sanctuary cities” (i.e. cities that promise to provide government services to illegal immigrants) during his term as governor, and Romney did absolutely nothing about it.

Page 2: Giuliani Vows to End Illegal Immigration - ABC News

Sanctuary Cities Under Romney

But Giuliani's campaign said that Romney's aggressive charge on this issue is inconsistent with Romney's record. While governor of Massachusetts from 2003 until 2007, three cities in Romney's home state – Somerville, Cambridge, and Orleans -- either declared or reissued declarations stating that they are in essence sanctuary cities.

supports cap and trade.
Romney On Cap And Trade In 2003: 'I Am Making Good On My Pledge' To Clean Up Carbon Pollution 'Harming Our Climate' | ThinkProgress

supports outsourcing
How Mitt Romney Invested Millions in Outsourcing - Forbes

:yawn: you're not bringing up anything we didnt' see in the primaries.

1. Romney's conversion on abortion mirrors much of America's, and happened while he was Governor of the Pro-Choice state of Massachussetts in a manner that was politically disadvantageous for him.

2. He will repeal Obamacare regardless of what he believes about the economics of it.

3. While he will not push back anything the Obama administration has moved forward on Gay Marriage, he will not expand it further, his administration will defend DOMA.

4. Gun Control isn't going to be a problem in any Republican administration. It's not even a problem in the Obama administration.

5. Ditto for Cap and Trade

6. People forget it was the push for Amnesty and the Harriet Meirs nomination for the SCOTUS that actually kick-started the conservative revolt that became the Tea Party. However, I would be willing to bet that Romney is not one of those people. George Bush was able to get away with a lot because conservatives trusted him. They don't trust Romney, and thus his leash will be slightly shorter than Obama's executive experience prior to becoming President.

I'm not worried about Romney sliding on the issues you raised. I'm worried about him taking the bi-partisan easy way out and keeping the can-kicking going on our looming fiscal crisis.
 
:yawn: you're not bringing up anything we didnt' see in the primaries.

1. Romney's conversion on abortion mirrors much of America's, and happened while he was Governor of the Pro-Choice state of Massachussetts in a manner that was politically disadvantageous for him.

Funny how his change seemed to happen when he decided that he wanted to run for president.
2. He will repeal Obamacare regardless of what he believes about the economics of it.

Without Romney-care there would be no Obama-care.Your telling me that he will repeal Obama-care when he enacted Romney-care?


3. While he will not push back anything the Obama administration has moved forward on Gay Marriage, he will not expand it further, his administration will defend DOMA.

4. Gun Control isn't going to be a problem in any Republican administration. It's not even a problem in the Obama administration.

5. Ditto for Cap and Trade

6. People forget it was the push for Amnesty and the Harriet Meirs nomination for the SCOTUS that actually kick-started the conservative revolt that became the Tea Party. However, I would be willing to bet that Romney is not one of those people. George Bush was able to get away with a lot because conservatives trusted him. They don't trust Romney, and thus his leash will be slightly shorter than Obama's executive experience prior to becoming President.

I'm not worried about Romney sliding on the issues you raised. I'm worried about him taking the bi-partisan easy way out and keeping the can-kicking going on our looming fiscal crisis.

I am judging Romney by his past.His past says he is a liberal and that is how he will act when he is president.
 
Depends on how much value one places on that 30% as opposed to the 70%.

That's fair enough - if you are a single or small set of issues voter, then perhaps you don't care about the other 70%. I, for example, would probably vote for a pro-life Democrat over a pro-choice Republican.
 
Funny how his change seemed to happen when he decided that he wanted to run for president.

No, it changed when he was governor and wanted a second term - and it hurt him in that effort. I agree that he's probably significantly more liberal than he's campaigning on immigration, healthcare, etc; but the abortion switch occurred at a time when it was disadvantageous for him, indicating an actual belief change.

Without Romney-care there would be no Obama-care.

That is inaccurate. Without Romneycare Obamacare would look different, but the fact is that once you had a supermajority of Democrats in Congress with a Democrat President, some major overhaul of healthcare was going to happen. We are lucky enough we avoided the public option / medicare for all / single payer route.

Your telling me that he will repeal Obama-care when he enacted Romney-care?

Yes. Because if there is one thing that every first term president want, it's a second term; and the instant that it becomes clear that Romney is not going to repeal Obamacare, everything else he wants to do is stopped dead in the water, and his reelection is doomed. He would face (and quite probably lose) a primary challenge in 2016, followed by (if he won) certain defeat in the General. And he knows that. If Romney won't repeal Obamacare out of conviction, he will definitely do it because doing so is in his political best interest, and not doing so is political suicide.

I am judging Romney by his past.His past says he is a liberal and that is how he will act when he is president.

His past says that he's pliable. I find it interesting that folks switch back and forth from arguing that he's a flip-flopper without any convictions to arguing that he's a liberal without any stopping to consider the fact that those two arguments are mutually exclusive.
 
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