August Prediction Poll! Who will win - Obama or Romney?

cpwill said:

No, it changed when he was governor and wanted a second term - and it hurt him in that effort. I agree that he's probably significantly more liberal than he's campaigning on immigration, healthcare, etc; but the abortion switch occurred at a time when it was disadvantageous for him, indicating an actual belief change.

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His switches occurred right when he decided that he wanted to be president.You are aware that he ran in the 2008 primaries?

That is inaccurate. Without Romneycare Obamacare would look different, but the fact is that once you had a super-majority of Democrats in Congress with a Democrat President, some major overhaul of healthcare was going to happen. We are lucky enough we avoided the public option / medicare for all / single payer route.

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Do you honestly expect that someone who came up the predecessor to Obama-care will do something about Obama-care?

Yes. Because if there is one thing that every first term president want, it's a second term; and the instant that it becomes clear that Romney is not going to repeal Obamacare, everything else he wants to do is stopped dead in the water, and his reelection is doomed. He would face (and quite probably lose) a primary challenge in 2016, followed by (if he won) certain defeat in the General. And he knows that. If Romney won't repeal Obamacare out of conviction, he will definitely do it because doing so is in his political best interest, and not doing so is political suicide.

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Romney is Richy Rich, what makes you think he cares one way or the other if he gets a second term? Party-tards don't care about liberal or conservative, they care about putting their party into power which is why Romney won the presidential primary.

His past says that he's pliable. I find it interesting that folks switch back and forth from arguing that he's a flip-flopper without any convictions to arguing that he's a liberal without any stopping to consider the fact that those two arguments are mutually exclusive.

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His past says that he is a liberal republican masquerading as a conservative or moderate.

cpwill said:

That's fair enough - if you are a single or small set of issues voter, then perhaps you don't care about the other 70%. I, for example, would probably vote for a pro-life Democrat over a pro-choice Republican.

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Haha I'd do the opposite :2razz: