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If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe

If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe

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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

ksu_aviator said:
If a billion people today decided that 2+2=5, would they be right?
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It depends. Our numerical system is set in place by an international scientific and mathematical committee, if the members of that committee were apart of that billion people, they could vote on the change it. I for one have always supported adding a new number between 6 and seven called sel.

But I know what you're getting on, and it's irrelevant to what I said. I was just pointing out that just because a large number of people believe something and/or have for a long time does not make it right. That's a logical fallacy, appeal to majority and appeal to tradition, respectively.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

The concept of "traditional marriage" is so vacuous and absurd it renders this question moot.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

If someone states he's for "tradiional" marriage, it means he can't spell.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Depends, but more than likely it does mean that.
 
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Navy Pride said:
It seems like a lot of people on the left seem to think so....I am asking you what do you think?
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The likelihood is very high. Because as far as I can tell, a required link in the chain of logic is that allowing homosexuals to marry somehow demeans the institution. Which is a homophobic.
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
It depends. Our numerical system is set in place by an international scientific and mathematical committee, if the members of that committee were apart of that billion people, they could vote on the change it. I for one have always supported adding a new number between 6 and seven called sel.

But I know what you're getting on, and it's irrelevant to what I said. I was just pointing out that just because a large number of people believe something and/or have for a long time does not make it right. That's a logical fallacy, appeal to majority and appeal to tradition, respectively.
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Pot, meet kettle. Are you not using the argument from fallacy? Just because you can label what was said a fallacy does not mean that it is inaccurate.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

It depends on why. If there's a decent reason, then no. If it's simply an issue of personal preference, then yes. I don't like murderers because they kill people. Am I bigoted against murderers? No. I have a good reason.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
Pot, meet kettle.
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Non-sequitur.

Are you not using the argument from fallacy?
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No. I'm pointing out the logical fallacy American used, in which he assumed that just because lots of people believed something for a long time made it true.


Just because you can label what was said a fallacy does not mean that it is inaccurate.
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I never discussed his conclusion.
 
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Navy Pride said:
It seems like a lot of people on the left seem to think so....I am asking you what do you think?
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Navy Pride will you ever cease your baseless attacks on Barack Hussein Obama? No, the President did not spend his first term in office as a homophobe, and I, for one, refuse to call the vast majority of the African Community "bigots" (unlike, it seems, five posters thus far) just because they have their own definition of marriage.
 
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Ridiculous choices. I favor traditional marriages but I also think gay people should be allowed to marry. I also think anybody who believes gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry because of 'God' or because they are immoral are homophobes.
 
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GhostlyJoe said:
Not a joke -- a grim reality. The general direction of society is away from such anti-gay attitudes, but we're really talking about a cultural shift playing out over generations, not a momentary political battle. But, in short, yes, excluding homosexuals from political activity is clear bigotry on a wide scale.
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I am not anti gay anything as are most Americans........You can call your union anything you like......You can do anything you want in the bedroom.......what most Americans are against is redifining marriage......That is why state after state are voting on the issue and where close to 35 states have constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
 
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cpwill said:
Navy Pride will you ever cease your baseless attacks on Barack Hussein Obama? No, the President did not spend his first term in office as a homophobe, and I, for one, refuse to call the vast majority of the African Community "bigots" (unlike, it seems, five posters thus far) just because they have their own definition of marriage.
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I will attack Hussein Obama with my dying breath and it saddens and surprises me that you as a Conservative do not feel the same way . I promise you one thing, I will cease my attacks on him when he is defeated in November. I will follow a Ronald Reagan commandment and I paraphrase. "That shall not attack a fellow Conservatives."
 
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Navy Pride said:
It seems like a lot of people on the left seem to think so....I am asking you what do you think?
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Not necessarily. I prefer traditional marriage too -- for myself.

But the moment you start telling other people how they are supposed to live, even support discrimination against them, then it is bigotry.
 
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Krhazy said:
The likelihood is very high. Because as far as I can tell, a required link in the chain of logic is that allowing homosexuals to marry somehow demeans the institution. Which is a homophobic.
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I guess in your mind then Jesus Christ/God are homophobes.
 
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I voted "No." Reason being, if he says "I favor traditional marriage," I don't entirely know what he means. Does he mean for himself personally? Does he mean in terms of the law? What the hell is a traditional marriage, anyway? Is it "one man, one woman," or is it more extreme, like "dominant husband, submissive wife?"

I don't really know what that statement means, when presented by itself.

If he favors "traditional marriage" for himself and leave it at that, then no, he is not a bigot.

If he believes his personal take on romance should be the law for everyone in the country, I would say that at best he has a crappy concept of what freedom and equality mean, and at worst he may be a bigot.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I guess in your mind then Jesus Christ/God are homophobes.
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IDK about your God.

My God's a-okay with it.

Then again, he's a dragon.


He's awesome.
 
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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

The poll and this thread is not about whether gays should be allowed to marry. The question of the poll is: Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homope?
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
I voted "No." Reason being, if he says "I favor traditional marriage," I don't entirely know what he means. Does he mean for himself personally? Does he mean in terms of the law? What the hell is a traditional marriage, anyway? Is it "one man, one woman," or is it more extreme, like "dominant husband, submissive wife?"

I don't really know what that statement means, when presented by itself.

If he favors "traditional marriage" for himself and leave it at that, then no, he is not a bigot.

If he believes his personal take on romance should be the law for everyone in the country, I would say that at best he has a crappy concept of what freedom and equality mean, and at worst he may be a bigot.
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With all due respect I believe the question is pretty clear............It means any person be it man or woman.
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
IDK about your God.

My God's a-okay with it.

Then again, he's a dragon.


He's awesome.
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Ever read any of their principles?
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

the OP question is irrelevant. because of the equal protection clause, if heterosexuals can have a legal marriage, then homosexuals are guaranteed the same right. someone has the right to find that distasteful, but he or she doesn't have the right to deny rights to others. not to mention the fact that "traditional" marriage can be defined in a variety of ways.

in 50 years, we'll probably look back on this period as we now look back on the debates about interracial marriage.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I guess in your mind then Jesus Christ/God are homophobes.
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Well, the word of God itself describes him as both condoning and personally carrying out the killing of quite a few homosexuals, so that's a rather safe assumption.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Ever read any of their principles?
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I read a second hand edition; can't tell if it's legit or not.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Jredbaron96 said:
If a billion people for 2000 years thought 2 + 2 = 5, would they be right?
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Did that happen? Any other non-fact you want to bring up?
 
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