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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I will attack Hussein Obama with my dying breath and it saddens and surprises me that you as a Conservative do not feel the same way .

    It was a tease NP. I was pointing out that everyone who A) voted 'yes' and B) voted for Obama just admitted that they support bigotry.

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I still am not clear on what you mean. Do you mean, he favors traditional marriage for everyone?

    If that is what you mean, then there's still a distinction to be made. Does he believe that's what's "right," but he isn't bothered if gay marriage is legal? Or does he mean that he wants gay marriage to be illegal?

    People can believe whatever they like. There are plenty of things I disagree with, but don't wish to be illegal. However, at the point at which they actively wish to limit other people's freedom of lifestyle, then it can be considered bigotry.
    I really don't know how to make it any more clear for you. Take myself as and example....I believe that marriage should be defined as a union between a man and a woman........Gays can call their union anything they want just not traditional marriage.........
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I really don't know how to make it any more clear for you. Take myself as and example....I believe that marriage should be defined as a union between a man and a woman........Gays can call their union anything they want just not traditional marriage.........
    Ok. I am not sure that makes you a bigot necessarily, but it is certainly irrational.

    There are lots of ways to be married. There are married people in polyamorous or open relationships. That isn't "traditional" by your definition. But they're still married, aren't they?

    What's so important about the word "marriage?" The thing is, "traditional" marriage has meant many different things over the years.

    It used to be basically a business contract of selling a woman from the father to the husband. It could involve multiple wives. At one point, that was "traditional." And today, married people have all kinds of different lifestyles.

    So really, your idea of "traditional" marriage is not traditional at all. It's quite modern, in fact.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Depends on age really.

    Some people are just old fashioned and not aware that current science believe sexual orientation is not a choice. I forgive those folks.

    the rest of bigots and homophobes. IMO, ignorant people embracing a twisted version of Christianity.

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Can you honestly say that when the people who crafted the 14th amendment were doing it to protect Gay Marriage?
    another irrelevant argument. can you argue that the founders wrote the Bill of Rights with the intent of protecting African Americans?

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It seems like a lot of people on the left seem to think so....I am asking you what do you think?
    going specifically off your question/ststement, no

    stating you are in favor of the made up term "traditional marriage" alone doesnt make you a bigot IMO.

    because you are only saying you simply "favor" it and also because traditional marriage is hogwash

    also for example what if a person favors traditional marriage but doesnt want to stop others from having it?

    now if you are actively trying to stop equal gay rights or donating money to stop it, then yes IMO you are a bigot.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Only in your mind.............
    Yes, in my mind, and also in reality.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am not anti gay anything as are most Americans........You can call your union anything you like......You can do anything you want in the bedroom.......what most Americans are against is redifining marriage......That is why state after state are voting on the issue and where close to 35 states have constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
    A simple semantic argument, but I don't think it holds water. Nobody is passionately inflamed about the "definition" of anything, rather they use semantic arguments to deflect from the core issues at play. To me, this issue is about the open participation of homosexual citizens in American life. These fight over "definitions" has the real-world effect of denying homosexual couples political and personal benefits readily available to their fellow citizens. When your "definition" has the effect of restricting others, then you've stepped beyond semantics, and I find it rather cowardly of you to attempt to hide behind a word and not accept the political ramifications of your stance.

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I guess in your mind then Jesus Christ/God are homophobes.
    Your version of Jesus Christ/God certainly are. On the other hand, the Jesus of the New Testament was a pretty chill dude. He certainly never shared your obsession with gay buttsex.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I really don't know how to make it any more clear for you. Take myself as and example....I believe that marriage should be defined as a union between a man and a woman........Gays can call their union anything they want just not traditional marriage.........
    Traditional Marriage = underage girl sold by a family patriarch for land, chickens, coins, etc.

    When you see the word 'wife' in the bible, that's what you should know it means.

    So save the 'traditional marriage' nonsense for people who don't know their History of Western Civ.

    50 years ago, blacks couldn't marry whites. That was the 'tradition'.

    BTW - Appeal to Tradition is logical fallacy.

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