Woman Suffrage in Oregon | Oregon Encyclopedia - Oregon History and Culture
Since you were bragging about the history of the Oregon System and like to tell people to bone up on their history, I would have assumed you were familiar with your own history. Not only was it attempted several times and eventually passed (before the 19th Amendment) in Oregon, but the same process happened in several other states with the initiative process. I can document every single time it was attempted, and every single time it was successful in the history of the state initiative process, if you'd like. But I assumed I just need to prove you wrong on the point--although I'm sure you'll keep carping about how little I know about the history of state initiatives and referendums, even though you've just made a demonstrably false claim. As for the circumventing, you're hung up on the semantics. I didn't say that state initiatives were treasonous and their supporters should be tortured to death. What I said is that they provide a way around the state legislatures' power of legislation, just as "activist judges" do.
The problem that you never addressed is that you claim scientific polls from 2012 aren't valid, because of electoral results from four years ago. You seem to think the idea that anyone in this country might have changed their minds in the past 4 years, about one of the hottest issues out there, is crazy. You intentionally ignore the fact that up to or even more than half of the people polled in the polls I reference aren't going to vote in this election. That's called a confounding variable in statistics, something you should familiarize yourself with before you make more absurd allegations. You made an attempt to provide evidence with anecdotal crap about "folks you know in California," but you failed to demonstrate why that is more valid than scientific polling. You haven't provided any evidence for anything you've argued, and you've rejected my evidence based on your personal feelings and anecdotal examples. The detour into referendums and initiatives, by the way, was me replying to someone else. You jumped on the thread, trying to prove me wrong, but I hope we can get back on the actual point of the thread.