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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    How has "hetereosexual marriage changed so many times".
    Well, for starters bigamy is far more common in the history of marriage then polygamy is. It's also been subject to other norms depending on the society. For example the Greeks practiced "heterosexual marriage" while some married men also had pederastic relationships on the side without much ado from their wives. Up until pretty recently it was pretty accepted that a married man of high class society would also have a mistress. Sometimes openly, other times not so openly. So while "heterosexual marriage" may not have changed as far as the key components required in order to have a "heterosexual marriage", the social context under which it has operated sure has and by definition have given new meanings to the concept.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    How has "hetereosexual marriage changed so many times".
    Well, our idea of heterosexual marriage today is not "traditional" in any real sense. I'm sure you know that interracial marriage has been considered immoral (especially when the woman was white) for a long time in Anglo-Saxon culture. In the United States, it was illegal for a long time nationwide, and remained illegal in many states until Loving v. Virginia in 1967. The idea of a majority-based (18 years old) marriage is also a new concept. It was traditionally acceptable for, say, an adult male and a what we would consider to be a female child to marry in the old western tradition, and until the 20th century it was legal in many states. In many Christian churches today in America, the minimum age of matrimony is much lower than 18. For a long time, marriage between people of different religions was strictly prohibited. Our concept of incestuous marriage--for example, between uncles and nieces or first cousins--does not have a long tradition in the west, and in our own country it would be ahistorical to describe modern kinship restrictions on marriage to be "traditional marriage." These are a few of the ways marriage has changed. My point, of course, is that there is no "traditional marriage" to speak of. It's a paper tiger used by people who have no legitimate reason to deny same-sex couples equal rights, and instead falsely invoke "tradition."

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, it's never society's place to tell people "how to live"?
    What? It's always been "society's place to tell people "how to live"." It effectively doesn't matter what society you consider.

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Do you mean that homosexuals are typically, on the whole, as bad as straights at respect and tolerance? This hasn't been my experience and I've had plenty of it.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    How has "hetereosexual marriage changed so many times".

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguel17 View Post
    Well, our idea of heterosexual marriage today is not "traditional" in any real sense. I'm sure you know that interracial marriage has been considered immoral (especially when the woman was white) for a long time in Anglo-Saxon culture...
    How has "hetereosexual marriage changed so many times".
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    So? A response. Again, "Do you mean that homosexuals are typically, on the whole, as bad as straights at respect and tolerance? This hasn't been my experience and I've had plenty of it."

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    How has "hetereosexual marriage changed so many times".

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well, for starters bigamy is far more common in the history of marriage then polygamy is. It's also been subject to other norms depending on the society. For example the Greeks practiced "heterosexual marriage" while some married men also had pederastic relationships on the side without much ado from their wives. Up until pretty recently it was pretty accepted that a married man of high class society would also have a mistress. Sometimes openly, other times not so openly. So while "heterosexual marriage" may not have changed as far as the key components required in order to have a "heterosexual marriage", the social context under which it has operated sure has and by definition have given new meanings to the concept.
    That's right "heterosexual marriage" hasn't changed, I'm glad you agree.


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    ALmost nothing has changed for the last, oh, 2000 years
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    How has "hetereosexual marriage changed so many times".



    How has "hetereosexual marriage changed so many times".
    In the bible it was one man and any number of women and/or concubines. Later this went away, only two people!! Mormons brought it back for a bit, one man, many wives. Went away again. In the old testament, if a guy raped a virgin he had to marry her and pay her father some money for spoiling her. That... went out of style. Someone at some point decided interracial marriage was bad. Then we later decided it was fine. The concept of romance took a while to come along, it was just a legal contract between two families to start. People used to get married at like age 11. Some places people still do get married very young, others we make them wait to age 18. Would you like to hear what the Greeks, Romans, and Vikings thought about marriage or should I stop there? The vikings married a lot of women they... well, abducted. Pretty sure that's illegal now.

    Oh, I almost forgot. In some states and countries, two people of the same gender are married right now. Has your life changed as a result?
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    How has "hetereosexual marriage changed so many times".



    How has "hetereosexual marriage changed so many times".
    I'll give you the bullet points, because apparently taking thirty seconds to actually read my post was too taxing on you.

    In just our country's history, these have all radically redefined traditional marriage.
    -Interracial marriage
    -Inter religious marriage
    -Kinship marriage
    -Statutory age of marriage

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguel17 View Post
    I'll give you the bullet points, because apparently taking thirty seconds to actually read my post was too taxing on you.

    In just our country's history, these have all radically redefined traditional marriage.
    -Interracial marriage
    -Inter religious marriage
    -Kinship marriage
    -Statutory age of marriage
    All of those changes required either state law changes or constitutional amendments to cause them just as SSM does. SSM is now legal in 6 states and DC, yet curiously NOT in Rahm's home of "Chicago values". ;-)
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