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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    So is the title correction coming along or.....
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Straights have been mostly silent about it for along time...now they are starting to talk about it...because gays have gotten absolutely out of control with their demanding INSULTING sarcastic vicious non stop attacks and Chikafil has brought alot of it out of them.
    One woman said yesterday Im not for gay marriage but I didnt rant and rave about jc penny and target...but how dare any other business have an opposing point of view then all hell breaks loose...she said thats just too much
    this post fails because agains you generlize way to much lmao

    its not straigh vs gays, its people that want equal rights and people that dont.

    Many many straights want equal rights

    so its not "straights" who have been quiet its those that are against equal rights.

    opposing "views" is fine, fighting against equal rights it another.

    There are many people out there that still think blacks and women shouldnt be equal, they think blacks are lesser than others and women should be in the kitchen and no where else. Hey they have the right to feel that way but if they are out there trying to accomplish forcing women back into the kitchen or blacks back into lesser people then they are bigots they just dont have an opposing view. The difference is HUGE.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Dude, it's Navy Pride. You should know better.
    But...but..but..

    Can't we just...

    Ya know...
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    But...but..but..

    Can't we just...

    Ya know...
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1) traditional marriage is a made up term and totally subjective, in reality it holds no real meaning.

    2) Im fine with people thinkin, beliving teaching etc what htey THINK marriage is but they dont get to stop equal rights.

    3) In reality Equal rights will NEVER distort, disturb or manipulate marriage or impact how sacred one finds it nor will it impact the "tradition" of it in any way.

    4) If "I" have a marriage between "ME" and may "WIFE" what "others" do with "their" marriage has ZERO impact on mine.

    5) so no one is a bigot for simply feeling a certain way on this issue but once you go out and fight against equal rights then yes you are a bigot.
    1) You could say that, but then we could also say that justice, right and wrong, and almost every other conceivable word in our existence are made up terms and are totally subjective, in reality holding no meaning.

    2) I think if one believes in the sanctity of traditional marriage, that they can vote based on their beliefs if they wish to and, personally, I don't think that makes said person "bad," etc.

    3) Not sure I'm understanding you correctly, but I'd say that from a religious pov the sanctity of marriage, its meaning, is distorted when you try to include other things besides "between one man and one woman."

    4) While based on you and your wife, sure, but marriage itself, if sacred, has more to do with marriage itself, rather than individual people.

    5) I don't really see it that way, because I think being a bigot entails thinking you're better than others. Since the people voting in favor of traditional marriage are focused on the sanctity/sacredness of marriage itself, it becomes less about people, and more about the concept of marriage and what it is.


    We're probably not going to agree on this, but I respect your opinion, as well as your right to one.

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    It's all good, sarcasm doesn't translate well in text, and because of a lot of attitudes expressed, it's hard to tell sarcasm from srs bsns on these types of topics. Yes, free speech exists, but it's not going to get any results without tact and well thought out arguments. You can insult the opposition all day, but all that will achieve is the creation of an "us v them" attitude, and slow progress more than it needs to be. Right now, the "bigots" hold all the cards, and can decide whether to change the laws or not.
    Ah. Yes. I forgot these things called smileys.

    Cause with all the insane opinions being accepted as mainstream nowadays, it can be really tough to tell one way or the other.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    opposing "views" is fine, fighting against equal rights it another.
    The only bigots here are people like you who say that only YOU have the right to do what YOU want to do, where others don't have the right to do what they want to do.

    And if you keep lumping women and minorities into the fight on the side of homosexuals, then by all means, make them enemies of the majority also.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Neeeeewp...

    But...but..but...




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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    To Wake and others wondering why gays and straight allies can come across as so obnoxious:

    For you, this is a debate. There are positions, evidence to support or refute those positions, and stances to be taken. There is a sort of code that says that those positions are fair game, but the people behind those positions are off-limits.*

    * - except when the debate is actually about them, which it is here.

    For gays, they feel like they are answering the question, "Why shouldn't I throw you to the lions?" When your persona, when the very desires that make you human are questioned, when you are not allowed to act on those desires, it becomes FAR more difficult to keep cool about it. An ill-timed comment from their side could well spurn an opponent of gay rights to take that much more action. In short, the stakes are extreme, and they are being forced to play this game shorthanded.

    I must emphasize that this is NOT simply two sides of one coin debating. The gross imbalance of reality in favor of one of the side's positions greatly frustrates the other side. And I'm sorry, but I'm not sorry. We didn't create the laws of human nature. All we can do is explore, understand, and defend them.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    1) You could say that, but then we could also say that justice, right and wrong, and almost every other conceivable word in our existence are made up terms and are totally subjective, in reality holding no meaning.

    2) I think if one believes in the sanctity of traditional marriage, that they can vote based on their beliefs if they wish to and, personally, I don't think that makes said person "bad," etc.

    3) Not sure I'm understanding you correctly, but I'd say that from a religious pov the sanctity of marriage, its meaning, is distorted when you try to include other things besides "between one man and one woman."

    4) While based on you and your wife, sure, but marriage itself, if sacred, has more to do with marriage itself, rather than individual people.

    5) I don't really see it that way, because I think being a bigot entails thinking you're better than others. Since the people voting in favor of traditional marriage are focused on the sanctity/sacredness of marriage itself, it becomes less about people, and more about the concept of marriage and what it is.


    We're probably not going to agree on this, but I respect your opinion, as well as your right to one.
    1.) nice deflection but no, you cant compare throwing out the constitution, rights, laws, liberties and freedoms to fighting for equal rights.

    2.) again thier opinion of what the sanctity of traditional marriage is will not be impacted one single bit by equal rights. They are a bigot, period, If they have the view women are baby factories and nothing more and vote to keep them locked in between the kitchen and bedroom. They are a bigot, dont understand this country or the rights, liberties and freedoms we have.

    3.) and you would be 100% wrong because legal marriage has nothing to do with religious marriage and claiming other wise is dishonest. You cant get religiously married without the law, and their are religions that marry gays with and without the law. I can get legally married without religion, They are separate entities unless the person getting married wants them to be joined.

    I dont see anybody in large groups crying that OTHER religions are greeting married in a way that doesnt fit their "traditions and scantity" or about judges and magistrates and people with licenses marrying people with NO religion involved or the divorce rate etc etc. It mostly only comes up when discussing the equal rights of gays. Weird huh? Thats because its BS. My marriage has no impact on yours.

    4.) no it doesnt it is only between me and who I marry and nobody else unless WE want it to. Those are the facts. If my neighbor beats his wife does that make my marriage less? of course not. Just like Gay marriage as had no REALITY impact on my marriage.

    5.) SOrry but again their sanctity and concept cant be impacted in reality, Its complete BS. They do think they are better because they wont allow others to have equal rights. They are bigots if they fight to deny equal rights.

    we are not going to agree because im using reality and you are not. But you are welcome to any opinion you want, just dont force it on others.

    and you respect my right to be one? be one what?
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