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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    They can have and opinion and not be a bigot or a homophobe......Why does that bother you so much?
    Hm...so are you pro theocracy? It's fine if you are, I'm not judging and that certainly doesn't make you a bigot or homophobe, but I am curious if you are.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hyperbole much? You obviously don't know what a theocracy is.
    Yes, the hyperbole was intentional. Doesn't take away my point though. Just because you believe your religion states that something is immoral doesn't mean it's okay for you to ban it for everyone else who disagrees with you, especially when legalizing something like gay marriage harms absolutely no one.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Not in Chrisian society.
    Yes, the Episcopalian church has accepted SSM marriage for some time now.

    You're really not very informed on these issues.

    You don't have any understanding of the current relevant social science, you don't really know the history of traditional marriage, and you're not aware that SSM has been accepted throughout history.

    We're trying to help you get better informed and you keep running from facts and data.

    You know the expression: you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yes, the hyperbole was intentional. Doesn't take away my point though. Just because you believe your religion states that something is immoral doesn't mean it's okay for you to ban it for everyone else who disagrees with you, especially when legalizing something like gay marriage harms absolutely no one.
    The key phrase there is 'you believe'. The whole anti-gay religion thing is based on a misreading of scripture -- people interjecting their own personal fears and insecurities into the bible and cherry-picking lines out of context to justify bigotry and hate. The bible is being turned on itself. Instead of love, the word of God is being used to justify hate.

    I have yet to hear how they can be anti-gay and not anti-shrimp or anti-mixed threads.

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The key phrase there is 'you believe'. The whole anti-gay religion thing is based on a misreading of scripture -- people interjecting their own personal fears and insecurities into the bible and cherry-picking lines out of context to justify bigotry and hate. The bible is being turned on itself. Instead of love, the word of God is being used to justify hate.

    I have yet to hear how they can be anti-gay and not anti-shrimp or anti-mixed threads.
    Right, which is why I included "you believe" in there.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    No, it doesn't make him a bigot or a homophobe. It indicates he holds to what he believes, which is typically based on his religion. If he had a hatred for gays, then a case could be made for bigotry and homophobia.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is the desired situation but when you have a president like Hussein Obama throwing huge tax increases on you its impossible but that is another thread.......
    Well - it's just a bit annoying that I now have to consider this 'alternative' meaning to 'traditional marriage' from here on out and always have to clarify when ti comes up in a conversation.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Right, which is why I included "you believe" in there.
    Yes. I know. That was the best part of your post IMO. They believe in a twisted version of Christianity. IMO.

    This is the end result of their beliefs.


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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Yes. I know. That was the best part of your post IMO. They believe in a twisted version of Christianity. IMO.

    This is the end result of their beliefs.

    that's some really strange "body art"

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - it's just a bit annoying that I now have to consider this 'alternative' meaning to 'traditional marriage' from here on out and always have to clarify when ti comes up in a conversation.
    No need.

    Those of us who have really read the bible know what they mean...



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