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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Yes, I think the stance against gay marriage stems from a tradition of bigotry. I don't mean that as a personal attack on those who oppose it, but I think they're misguided. However, there's no denying that the defense of "traditional marriage" is an exclusionary political stance targeting a small subset of the population.
    And that's the question. If the oppose equality for homosexuals, that is different than what the prefer for themselves.

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Nice try but it won't wash, there are just as many experts who say they are not born that way and how do you explain the thousands who hve changed...........are you calling them all liars?
    Expert = someone who has published findings in a peer-reviewed journal.

    Please post one peer-reviewed study in a related field that backs up your position.

    I can post hundreds that back up what I'm saying.

    Yes, a homosexual trying to live a life as heterosexual is lying to himself and those around him/her. He will never be truly happy.

    Thousands of broken marriages and suicides.

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I'm sorry, but this is settled science. We can predict homosexuality fairly accurately in children by observing certain physical trends. We know that the odds of homosexuality change according to birth order. We've even figured out what conditions in utero tend to lead to a person becoming homosexual.

    In terms of "conversion" therapy, many participants are either bisexual or straight, which makes their results invalid. Of the remaining people who actually are gay, the majority of them go back to being gay within a couple of years. The few who don't tend to suffer psychiatric problems.

    Being gay is not a choice. This is settled. The only choice here is you choosing not to accept reality.
    The same old cop out.......Like I said there are experts on both sides of the issue and no one knows for sure...Like a typical liberal you say your right, as a Conservative I don't know but there are documented cases of people who were gay their whole life changing.....
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    I want to point out that being homophobic doesn't necessarily mean you are anti-gay. Just like being arachnophobic doesn't mean you are anti-spiders. It just means you have an irrational fear or distaste of something.

    A bigot, by contrast, has a serious hatred for people who are different. That's a significant difference.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Not necessarily. I prefer traditional marriage too -- for myself.

    But the moment you start telling other people how they are supposed to live, even support discrimination against them, then it is bigotry.
    Would you say it is bigotry for an environmental vegan or animal rights activist to throw paint on someone wearing fur or leather?
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And that's the question. If the oppose equality for homosexuals, that is different than what the prefer for themselves.
    We oppose the redefining of marriage...
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Thank you and I am saying that 75% of the people in this country support traditional marriage and although some may be homophobes or bigots the huge majority are not...I have been called a bigot or a homophobe by the left in DP many times because of my beliefs........Well I am neither............
    you are wrong for multiple reasons, the majority are in favor of equal gay rights and Traditional Marriage is a made up subjective term

    so you can say it, but its meaningless dishonest and inaccurate

    and where you are also wrong, I have seen you called those terms by people on the right also and if I was forced to bet, id bet they were accurate

    lets give you a test and please just answer and not deflect

    if you could vote tomorrow for equal gay rights would you vote yes or no in favor of it?
    if you had a son who was gay what would you do?
    if you had neighbors that were gay and you were having a block picnic would they be welcome?
    if you had gay neighbors with kids would you kids be allowed to play with theirs and sleep over?
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The same old cop out.......Like I said there are experts on both sides of the issue and no one knows for sure...Like a typical liberal you say your right, as a Conservative I don't know but there are documented cases of people who were gay their whole life changing.....
    Again, Expert = someone respected in their field who has published in a peer-reviewed journal.

    There are no real experts on your side.

    Homosexuality is thought to be something triggered in our DNA (all our DNA) after a women has several children. A switch is thrown that makes the later children less likely to reproduce.

    All the science doesn't mean they are lesser people or 'broken'. They are just born different.

    Don't forget you also have bi-sexual and asexual people. Sexual orientation is hard wired. Every real expert now says that.

    Our U.S. constitution and our American values will move us toward marriage equality-- a world were those who are intolerant of homosexuals are looked down upon and not the homosexuals themselves.

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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Right, because you labeled it a fallacy to imply that it was accurate?
    No. I labeled it a fallacy because it was a fallacy.

    Gotcha. Just because you learned about fallacies this week in your word of the day app,
    I don't even own a device that uses apps. Nice generalization.

    doesn't mean you know how to use them.
    Apparently, you don't.
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    Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Let me understand you, you would argue that God favors a man laying with another man......Do you know where the word sodomy came from and do you know why God destroyed Sodom?
    Do you remember what happens in next in the Bible? Well, first Lot offers his virgin daughters to the men of Sodom to do with what they want. Then, God turns Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for turning back to look at the burning city. So the newly widowed Lot takes refuge in a cave, where his virginal daughters get him drunk, rape him and have incestuous children by him.

    Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of all that.

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