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    Which right holds sway?

    The NRA has gone after a Tennessee Congresswoman due to her lack of support for a law stating that businesses should not be able to restrict employees from having a weapon on their property ie the employee having a weapon in their vehicle while it is parked in the parking lot. When I heard this story I initially wanted to come home and research it. However, I thought it would be more fun to put it up to debate. So what say you? Private property rights or the 2nd amendment? Which one holds sway in this case?
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    The NRA has gone after a Tennessee Congresswoman due to her lack of support for a law stating that businesses should not be able to restrict employees from having a weapon on their property ie the employee having a weapon in their vehicle while it is parked in the parking lot. When I heard this story I initially wanted to come home and research it. However, I thought it would be more fun to put it up to debate. So what say you? Private property rights or the 2nd amendment? Which one holds sway in this case?
    NRA hits Republican roadblocks - Washington Times
    Unless the state has a law that says, "No Gun-Free Zones," if the cars are parked on company property? I wouldn't support the law either.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Private property rights. People should be able to govern their own property according to their own standards as much as possible, specifically in ways that do not harm others. Banning guns from your private property, home or business, allows people to govern their property without hurting others. If people don't want to work at places that don't allow guns, then they can work somewhere else.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    The second amendment is inapplicable in this scenario. The second amendment forbids the government from infringing the right to bear arms, not business owners.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The second amendment is inapplicable in this scenario. The second amendment forbids the government from infringing the right to bear arms, not business owners.
    ^^^^Best Answer.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Our employee manual states that employees are not allowed to bring a weapon into the building. It doesn't mention the parking lot. Besides, who would know?

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The second amendment is inapplicable in this scenario. The second amendment forbids the government from infringing the right to bear arms, not business owners.
    Therein lies the debate my friend. If the gov't upholds a policy by a employer to disallow firearms on their property, is the gov't not now enforcing said policy by ruling in the employer's favor?
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Therein lies the debate my friend. If the gov't upholds a policy by a employer to disallow firearms on their property, is the gov't not now enforcing said policy by ruling in the employer's favor?
    If the government were called upon to rule on an employer who tagged his place of employment as a gun-free zone, the government would rule on it based on property rights. And property rights alone.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If the government were called upon to rule on an employer who tagged his place of employment as a gun-free zone, the government would rule on it based on property rights. And property rights alone.
    I disagree. I think they would rule it based on property rights vs 2nd Amendment rights. Reason being, the private property is still in the US and Americans are working there. Those Americans have rights. Owners of private property can't take away Constitutional rights can they? I'm being the devil's advocate btw. Personally, I believe the property rights should hold sway. I'm just thinking out loud.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    The NRA has gone after a Tennessee Congresswoman due to her lack of support for a law stating that businesses should not be able to restrict employees from having a weapon on their property ie the employee having a weapon in their vehicle while it is parked in the parking lot. When I heard this story I initially wanted to come home and research it. However, I thought it would be more fun to put it up to debate. So what say you? Private property rights or the 2nd amendment? Which one holds sway in this case?
    NRA hits Republican roadblocks - Washington Times
    I would go further, that the employee has the right to carry the firearm on their person at all times, unless....

    An employer who wishes to maintain a gun-free zone should have to comply with four requirements to maintain an annually renewed permit to have the gun-free zone.
    • Demonstrate a 'need' to have the gun-free zone, such as the presence of hazardous chemicals on the property. If the employer has no 'need', merely a preference, then the employee's right supersedes. Terminating and employee for possessing a firearm is to be treated as discrimination, the same is as if the employee were fired simply for being black.
    • Provide armed security.
    • Legally defined 'no-firearms' signs must be posted at every entrance and exit to the property and each building.
    • Pay a special insurance to cover the increased crime rate on gun-free-zones and cover liability (because the employer will be fully liable).


    If an employer doesn't like it, they are free not to engage in commerce.
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