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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    That law's not reasonable, 'm not even necessarily talking about businesses, even just my own personal property.
    No, this is a critical point: We're only talking about places open to the public. My side on this argument is not talking about your home or private land which is not open to the general public. We are only arguing to carry in places the public has regular access to. The Florida law I referenced only applies to places the public has regular access to, not your home or anything else.

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    The thing is, what someone brings onto my property is my business. I can tell people they can't smoke in m house or bring in Burmese pythons. Since they can only enter my property with my permission, I can tell them what or what not to do. I don't necessarily agree with the business owner's decision but I recognize his right to control what belongs to him.
    No one is talking about your residence except you.

    Not all private property is the same as all other private property. There are differences. A business is open to the public, a residence is not.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No, this is a critical point: We're only talking about places open to the public. My side on this argument is not talking about your home or private land which is not open to the general public. We are only arguing to carry in places the public has regular access to. The Florida law I referenced only applies to places the public has regular access to, not your home or anything else.


    No one is talking about your residence except you.

    Not all private property is the same as all other private property. There are differences. A business is open to the public, a residence is not.
    Fair enough. I do believe that business owners should have the right to decide what goes on their property, too, but I don't think it's a good idea to not allow guns.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've been using Florida as an example. Here's the law:


    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf
    Florida lives in the stone age as it is. I live in the civilized state of California; whith a population of 37 million, it's almost twice the population and size of Florida. You mentione comapnys opened to the public: many companies are not open to the public. My point was about my private property. I defy you to tell me that people entering Cape Canaveral are allowed to bring in guns . . .

    Look; your argument is so weak as to simply be not worth the powder to blow itself to hell. You could not bring a gun onto someone's private property who didn't want you to.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Essentially it sounds like the NRA wants to make all businesses of any sort legally public property. Or in other words a move away from individual private property rights to collective property rights. Sounds a bit far Left to me.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Right on Teamosil
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Florida lives in the stone age as it is. I live in the civilized state of California; whith a population of 37 million, it's almost twice the population and size of Florida. You mentione comapnys opened to the public: many companies are not open to the public. My point was about my private property. I defy you to tell me that people entering Cape Canaveral are allowed to bring in guns . . .

    Look; your argument is so weak as to simply be not worth the powder to blow itself to hell. You could not bring a gun onto someone's private property who didn't want you to.
    Cape Canaveral is part of an Air Force base. I'm talking about private businesses, not military installations. Please insert another quarter and try again.

    And yes, I can bring a gun onto just about any private property without first getting the owner's expressed consent. All I've ever needed was the proper holster. They don't ask, I don't tell, the gun stays in the holster, no one threatens my life, the work is accomplished, life goes on.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Cape Canaveral is part of an Air Force base. I'm talking about private businesses, not military installations. Please insert another quarter and try again.

    And yes, I can bring a gun onto just about any private property without first getting the owner's expressed consent. All I've ever needed was the proper holster. They don't ask, I don't tell, the gun stays in the holster, no one threatens my life, the work is accomplished, life goes on.
    Well Cap Canaveral proves my point about the "sanctity" of the II Amendement and as I said; Florida lives in the stone age.

    So, you keep plunkin those quarters Jerry. I'm not going to argue the blatant supidity of carrying around a gun anymore: the sky is blue for a reason Jerry.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Florida lives in the stone age as it is.
    We do?

    I live in the civilized state of California; whith a population of 37 million, it's almost twice the population and size of Florida.
    Population size is always a good indicator of whether a society is civilized or not.

    You mentione comapnys opened to the public: many companies are not open to the public.
    The issue is surrounding employee rights.
    My point was about my private property. I defy you to tell me that people entering Cape Canaveral are allowed to bring in guns . . .
    NASA is a private business?

    Look; your argument is so weak as to simply be not worth the powder to blow itself to hell. You could not bring a gun onto someone's private property who didn't want you to.
    It's not weak. There are legitimate arguments for supporting worker's rights in this instance. Not necessarily correct, but definitelylegitimate.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Well Cap Canaveral proves my point about the "sanctity" of the II Amendement
    How so?

    So, you keep plunkin those quarters Jerry. I'm not going to argue the blatant supidity of carrying around a gun anymore: the sky is blue for a reason Jerry.
    The sky isn't blue
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    We do?


    Population size is always a good indicator of whether a society is civilized or not.


    The issue is surrounding employee rights.

    NASA is a private business?



    It's not weak. There are legitimate arguments for supporting worker's rights in this instance. Not necessarily correct, but definitelylegitimate.
    Your reply doesn't answer my argument I'm afraid.
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