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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Then I will install a metal detector.
    And every single person who walks through will set it off. Belt buckles, steel thanks and toes, wallets, keys, cell phones, coins...good luck operating a buisness that way.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And every single person who walks through will set it off. Belt buckles, steel thanks and toes, wallets, keys, cell phones, coins...good luck operating a buisness that way.
    Very true indeed. But in the end it is not your choice on how an owner runs their store. I know that people like to believe that they can tell other people what to do but you did not build the store the owner did. you as a patron are not the main target in reality the clerks or whoever is in charge of the money are the targets. To them anyone with a gun in the store is someone to be feared since they have a target hanging on their heads.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Very true indeed. But in the end it is not your choice on how an owner runs their buisness
    Sure it is....you''ll realize that when no one comes into your store after you try to search every customer, and when we pass legislation forcing you to comply.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Sure it is....you''ll realize that when no one comes into your store after you try to search every customer, and when we pass legislation forcing you to comply.
    Thanx that was my point that the NRA is not concerned with Liberties or Freedoms. Again as a gun owner it troubles me to here anyone mention legislation forcing Americans to comply against their rights as they stand now. The hedging of our rights is not the right direction for this country to take.


    WHy not just site the Constitution since there the 2nd Amendment exists? The Constitution protects our right to bear arms there is no need to go beyond that concept. What you are doing by forcing laws on Americans is telling them **** you I have a gun and will crush your rights in order to feel safe. The problem is that you have no business that has property that you need to protect, so therefore its no sweat off of your balls to shove laws down business owners throats that do have property that they need to protect. Have you never worked in a store all day before? Have you not seen the screw ups that come into stores? Not everyone with a gun is safe to be around.


    BTW duly noted on your insistence to ignore the meat of my posts. WHich is ssad because most of the time I already answered your questions in the very posts that you quote.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The hedging of our rights is not the right direction for this country to take.
    That's why private people should not be allowed to infringe on the rights of others who aren't harming anyone.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It probably has something to do with knowing what the sentence you wrote would actually mean.
    Take responsibility for your own errors for once. You didn't understand, that's not on me. It's pretty ****ing obvious that the 2A is not a state right. You didn't know that, you got yourself lost, not my problem.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Take responsibility for your own errors for once. You didn't understand, that's not on me. It's pretty ****ing obvious that the 2A is not a state right. You didn't know that, you got yourself lost, not my problem.
    It's also pretty obvious that we're not talking about the 2nd amendment, we're talking about policies which limit the ability to carry weapons in certain places. It's not my fault you didn't understand what you were saying.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's also pretty obvious that we're not talking about the 2nd amendment, we're talking about policies which limit the ability to carry weapons in certain places. It's not my fault you didn't understand what you were saying.
    You're the only one who had a comprehension problem. Was it the colored text I used? Now why don't you make one of your lame off-color jokes, we'll all pretend you're funny and you can go to bed feeling like you saved teh interwebz. Go ahead, I'll wait.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're the only one who had a comprehension problem. Was it the colored text I used? Now why don't you make one of your lame off-color jokes, we'll all pretend you're funny and you can go to bed feeling like you saved teh interwebz. Go ahead, I'll wait.
    Are you really under the delusional idea that that sentence meant something other than what the words it contained mean?
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's why private people should not be allowed to infringe on the rights of others who aren't harming anyone.
    The difference here being that not all privately owned businesses actually ban guns. And for those that do not ban guns outright the laws in Florida ban the the business owners from the right to defend their property as they see fit. That would be a good example of the State of Florida dictating to their citizens what they can and cannot do in regards to their own personal safety, the safety of their employees, customers, invitees, and their property. Or like I said a hedging of rights. Without the laws that you have shown us in Florida no gun owner is banned form owning a gun nor to their right to bear arms. What the law will force property owners to do is to find loopholes to exploit.

    I have noticed that on several occasions you have used a link to Handgunlaw.us Which I assume that you are in agreement with their advice otherwise why else would you repeatably link us to their site?


    “Handgunlaw.us highly recommends that you not enter a place that is posted "No Firearms" no matter what the state laws read/mean on signage. We recommend you print out the No Guns = No Money Cards and give one to the owner of the establishment that has the signage." As responsible gun owners and upholders of the 2nd Amendment we should also honor the rights of property owners to control their own property even if we disagree with them.

    “No Firearm” signs in Florida have no force of law unless they are posted on property that is specifically mentioned in State Law as being off limits to those with a Permit/License to Carry. If you are in a place not specifically mentioned in the law that is posted and they ask you to leave, you must leave. If you refuse to leave then you are breaking the law and can be charged. Even if the property is not posted and you are asked to leave you must leave. Always be aware of the possibility that responding Police Officers who may have been called without your knowledge and may not know the laws on trespass etc. could arrest you even if you are within the law.”
    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf

    To avoid over reaching laws that the NRA has been pivotal in getting enacted a business owner only needs to wish you to leave the property, they need not give a reason why. If they did mention a gun in the state of Florida then the legal CCW gun owner could file a civil suit. But none the less by law when asked to leave you must leave or you will be charged with a crime which would be a separate case from the civil suit. The gun owner could possibly (in Florida) win the civil suit but not the criminal case. You might be offered a plea deal though where you could avoid being convicted in a criminal case and possibly jeopardizing your CCW permit next time around. In other words you may have the legal right but not be able to enjoy that legal right to its fullest because of the fact that current concealed weapons laws require the permittee to qualify for their 2nd Amendment rights. These qualifications are the handy work of the NRA. The idea of qualifications makes one wonder how a Constitutional right needs qualifications? Do we need qualifications for the right to free speech? How about other Constitutional rights, should they only be allowed with certain qualifications? How can a Constitutional right require a test?

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