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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure they can...you couldn't come on my property and burn an American flag yet that's protected by free speech.

    Edit: I'd like to point out...it's freaking crazy that the 2nd Amendment is treated on the right as some right that trumps all others. Nobody thinks twice if an employer tells an employee to cover up a tatoo even though that technically can be free speech or to dress a certain way.

    The 2nd amendment says the government can't ban guns...it doesn't say that you have some unfettered right to show up with an AR-15 on your back to work.
    I agree it isn't a right that trumps others. The 2nd Amendment is such a big deal because the NRA is the richest and probably most powerful lobbying arm in the country. Also, the 2nd Amendment is probably the most controversial one because we have so many fatalities due to gun shots.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I was using the old law as an example of the process that could be used. My bad Mr Nugent lol.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Property rights should win out. If a property owner doesn't want guns on their property, they should be allowed to make that decision.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Our employee manual states that employees are not allowed to bring a weapon into the building. It doesn't mention the parking lot. Besides, who would know?
    Depends on whether that car was broken into, for whatever reason....

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    We have the same law in SC.


    Look, your HOME is one thing... that is REALLY private property.

    Your BUSINESS where you invite others to PLEASE come in (employees and customers) is slightly different. It is private property, but it isn't the same level of "private" as your home.

    If you tell employees that they cannot carry a gun on their person, and they cannot have a gun in their car parked in the employee parking lot, you're telling them they must be disarmed ON THE WAY TO WORK AND ON THE WAY HOME AND ANYWHERE THEY STOP IN BETWEEN. You're forcing them to arrive at home unarmed and travel unarmed.

    Personally I think if you can force that on them then you should be held fully liable for any harm they come to along the way via criminal action.

    Someone is going to say "well if you don't like it find another employer". HA. Like it is that easy in this economy, and besides which MOST employers do this if they're allowed to get away with it.

    Like it or not the Employer>Employee relationship is one where the power is very unequal and coercion is a real issue. The man who signs your paycheck wields a lot of power over you.... limiting that power to reasonable levels is not an inappropriate action on the part of state governments.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    My property, my rules. Unless the business is breaking some sort of law by restricting people from owning guns on his property, then there is no issue here. It's a false dichotomy.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    My property, my rules. Unless the business is breaking some sort of law by restricting people from owning guns on his property, then there is no issue here. It's a false dichotomy.
    In SC and TN it IS a law, therefore breaking it by denying employees that legal right is by definition breaking the law. The question is whether you think it is a good and reasonable law for a state to make.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    In SC and TN it IS a law, therefore breaking it by denying employees that legal right is by definition breaking the law. The question is whether you think it is a good and reasonable law for a state to make.
    It isn't. It infringes on property rights for no other reason than to gain the gun owner vote.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It isn't. It infringes on property rights for no other reason than to gain the gun owner vote.
    Your property rights aren't worth anything when your causing harm to your employees without cause. 'My property my rules' just makes you sound like a 5 yer-old stomping his foot to get his way.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Property rights. If a property owner says no guns, then you either respect that property owners request, or you stay the **** out.
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