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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne375 View Post
    Cops know when they can arrest someone or not.
    Attorneys know when someone actually broke a law or not.
    We're not talking about laws, we're talking about company policies and whether or not those policies can violate the rights described in the bill of rights (they can't).
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne375 View Post
    And we've come full circle again. You say certain bill of rights issues are set into stone yet others can be altered. Anyone who knows that the second amendment is part of the constitution has a 'direct' idea. Way to butcher the language.

    You've spammed up the forum by posting 3,000 times in a row and now are just swimming in circles. Keep swimming. I'm going to watch a bit.
    Anyone who knows the introduction to th ebill of rights knows that they are in place because:

    "THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution."

    That language makes it very clear that the bill of rights are meant to restrict the governments authority.

    I cannot violate your right to free speech, for example, no matter how hard I tried I am incapable of doing it. For example if I owned this website or one like it and I banned anyone who said something I disagree with, I wouldn't be violating their right to free speech. It's simply not possible for me to do it.

    The same is true with any right in the bill of rights.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    We're not talking about laws, we're talking about company policies and whether or not those policies can violate the rights described in the bill of rights (they can't).
    I have no clue what you are babbling about because you use sloppy terms to define your concept of 'The Law'.

    I have no clue what your talking about if it isn't the law. 'Oh, in Tucker's head anyone can infringe on a person's rights whenever it is convenient for them.' isn't what I'm discussing. This makes the We're statement invalid.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne375 View Post
    I have no clue what you are babbling about because you use sloppy terms to define your concept of 'The Law'.
    I'm not the person who said "legally prohibited" when they apparently meant to say "prohibited by law".

    I mean, that ****'s sloppier than the floor in a bukake circle.

    I have no clue what your talking about if it isn't the law.
    The fact that you have no clue is quite clear.

    'Oh, in Tucker's head anyone can infringe on a person's rights whenever it is convenient for them.' isn't what I'm discussing
    People cannot infringe on people's rights at any time because it is impossible for them to do so.

    Therefore, what you just made up above and attributed to me isn't what anyone is discussing. It's just an imaginary thing that you made up.


    This makes the We're statement invalid.
    We're discussing company policies. That's pretty clear given the nature of the thread. the question becomes what on Earth have you decided to arbitrarily discuss?
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    I'm disregarding most of your reply because there is nothing there deserving of a reply. You're just rehashing your broke down and poorly structured arguments Nothing save this:

    ** People cannot infringe on people's rights at any time because it is impossible for them to do so. **

    Define how the hell your using the word 'People' here. Defining impossible would be grand as well. Oh fret not, I am asking so I can cram the statement down your throat so you cannot wriggle out later. This is your statement, defend it.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne375 View Post
    I'm disregarding most of your reply because there is nothing there deserving of a reply. You're just rehashing your broke down and poorly structured arguments Nothing save this:
    Translation: "I'm going to ignore the points you have made so that I may continue to pretend that I am correct"

    ** People cannot infringe on people's rights at any time because it is impossible for them to do so. **

    Define how the hell your using the word 'People' here. Defining impossible would be grand as well. Oh fret not, I am asking so I can cram the statement down your throat so you cannot wriggle out later. This is your statement, defend it.
    People = human beings. I am using this term as opposed to an entity like the government which is comprised of people but has an authority of it's own that is greater than that which any individual can have and has authority over individuals.

    Impossible = unable to be done

    I look forward to your future attempts to pretend that you are right, or as you call it, attempt to "cram the statement down my throat".
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Translation: "I'm going to ignore the points you have made so that I may continue to pretend that I am correct"



    People = human beings. I am using this term as opposed to an entity like the government which is comprised of people but has an authority of it's own that is greater than that which any individual can have and has authority over individuals.

    Impossible = unable to be done

    I look forward to your future attempts to pretend that you are right, or as you call it, attempt to "cram the statement down my throat".
    Real Translation: Your head is shoved too far up your ass to listen to any points made, valid or otherwise. I'll let what I've said already stand for itself. When you argue with a fool, speculators may have a hard time judging who the true fool is.

    FBI
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    ACLU
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    Blood Sucking Lawyers
    Civil Rights Lawyers - Legal Information | Lawyers.com

    I can post thousands of links if need be, those three should spell it out even for you. If the FBI investigates Civil Rights Abuses don't you think someone's rights are being infringed upon on the criminal level? If the ACLU files civil lawsuits don't you think civil liberties are being stepped on somewhere? And of course the 'blood sucking' lawyers. Capitalism in motion. If these cases weren't winnable, if no ones rights are being stepped on to the point where these lawyers aren't winning cases and making money, why are they doing it?

    Follow along:

    Rights Infringed Upon + Federal Government investigates and perhaps prosecutes those who infringe or Private law firms sue over the same and win = Judges are declaring rights can indeed be infringed upon.

    Questions?

    Knowledge is 'power, reading is fundamental, Google is your friend.


    Mutter and sputter away.
    Oh don't forget to respond in 30 different posts so you spam this off the screen.
    Last edited by Airborne375; 09-14-12 at 03:26 PM.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne375 View Post
    Real Translation: Your head is shoved too far up your ass to listen to any points made, valid or otherwise. I'll let what I've said already stand for itself. When you argue with a fool, speculators may have a hard time judging who the true fool is.

    FBI
    FBI — Civil Rights

    ACLU
    American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)

    Blood Sucking Lawyers
    Civil Rights Lawyers - Legal Information | Lawyers.com

    I can post thousands of links if need be, those three should spell it out even for you. If the FBI investigates Civil Rights Abuses don't you think someone's rights are being infringed upon on the criminal level? If the ACLU files civil lawsuits don't you think civil liberties are being stepped on somewhere? And of course the 'blood sucking' lawyers. Capitalism in motion. If these cases weren't winnable, if no ones rights are being stepped on to the point where these lawyers aren't winning cases and making money, why are they doing it?

    Follow along:

    Rights Infringed Upon + Federal Government investigates and perhaps prosecutes those who infringe or Private law firms sue over the same and win = Judges are declaring rights can indeed be infringed upon.

    Questions?

    Knowledge is 'power, reading is fundamental, Google is your friend.


    Mutter and sputter away.
    Oh don't forget to respond in 30 different posts so you spam this off the screen.
    Civil rights are something vastly different from the rights we are discussing here.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne375 View Post
    Real Translation: Your head is shoved too far up your ass to listen to any points made, valid or otherwise. I'll let what I've said already stand for itself. When you argue with a fool, speculators may have a hard time judging who the true fool is.

    FBI
    FBI Civil Rights

    ACLU
    American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)

    Blood Sucking Lawyers
    Civil Rights Lawyers - Legal Information | Lawyers.com

    I can post thousands of links if need be, those three should spell it out even for you. If the FBI investigates Civil Rights Abuses don't you think someone's rights are being infringed upon on the criminal level? If the ACLU files civil lawsuits don't you think civil liberties are being stepped on somewhere? And of course the 'blood sucking' lawyers. Capitalism in motion. If these cases weren't winnable, if no ones rights are being stepped on to the point where these lawyers aren't winning cases and making money, why are they doing it?

    Follow along:

    Rights Infringed Upon + Federal Government investigates and perhaps prosecutes those who infringe or Private law firms sue over the same and win = Judges are declaring rights can indeed be infringed upon.

    Questions?

    Knowledge is 'power, reading is fundamental, Google is your friend.


    Mutter and sputter away.
    Oh don't forget to respond in 30 different posts so you spam this off the screen.
    So then you should be in agreement that the rights of private property owners can be stepped on? Private property owners have rights especially when the rights of others may be infringed on by one individual invitee on the property. If it is made illegal for a private property owner to tell people with weapons that they are required to scram or beat tracks off of their property then when can a property owner protect their property? Are you saying that gun owners have rights but property owners do not have any rights?

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So then you should be in agreement that the rights of private property owners can be stepped on? Private property owners have rights especially when the rights of others may be infringed on by one individual invitee on the property. If it is made illegal for a private property owner to tell people with weapons that they are required to scram or beat tracks off of their property then when can a property owner protect their property? Are you saying that gun owners have rights but property owners do not have any rights?
    It exactly why we have a supreme court. When one right overlaps another a ruling has to be made. I haven't bothered to look at all the cases the court has ever heard regarding the 2nd amendment but I'll say this, the second amendment surely trumps property rights. It's not stepped on in the above instances, it's recognizing that amendment #2 overrides the concerns of property owners. Madison didn't draft the bill of rights up willy nilly. He didn't just jot down what kept to mind and have that list make it to the final draft.

    Questions:

    Where does your concept of 'Property Rights' stem from?

    Who do you think enforces them?

    I'm not trying to be snarky. I am trying to figure out how to field your questions so you 'get' my answers. I've answered the above question 2+ times already in this thread.
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