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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Makes me wonder what this guy is going to do if I have to bring a nail or powder-actuated gun into his house.
    Last edited by Jerry; 08-17-12 at 05:42 AM.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Makes me wonder what this guy is going to do if I have to bring a nail or powder-actuated gun into his house.
    It'd be pretty damned funny if someone said you couldn't bring the ramset into their house.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It'd be pretty damned funny if someone said you couldn't bring the ramset into their house.
    I acknowledge the fact that there is a lot of emotion on both sides of this issue, and I'm making a genuine effort to give room for knee-jerk reactions.

    I've been on this and a couple other forums recently, trying to wrap my mind around the idea that a snub .38 is a threat, but all the other tools I bring into someone's house is ok. I mean, if I wanted to harm a family, I wouldn't need a firearm. Just with the tools in my trunk I could subdue a family of 4 and make an armature SAW film. A snub .38 is....nothing. A homeowner wouldn't think twice if they saw me assemble an air-powered nail gun. they might give me a weird look when I duct-tape the barrel safety down, but will certainly bleed when I hold down the trigger and nails come flying out with the speed of a machine gun.

    I just don't get it. You can't trust me to have a snub .38, but your'e going to trust me to make your stair case, your balcony, your new roof? If you can't trust a CCW, law-abiding citizen who's in the military, to properly carry a concealed pistol, how can you trust that you won't get electricuted the first time you turn on the water in your new shower I built? (pretty damn easy to do, for those not familiar)

    It just doesn't follow. I don't understand. I don't get it. It just sounds like paranoia.

    I've asked folks before....ok, I'll except "your house, your rules". No problem. So, what happens when you say "no DeWalt, I hate the color yellow"? Does an animal activist homeowner feel entitled to cancel a contract without penalty when workers show up with leather tool belts?
    Last edited by Jerry; 08-17-12 at 09:31 AM.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I acknowledge the fact that there is a lot of emotion on both sides of this issue, and I'm making a genuine effort to give room for knee-jerk reactions.

    I've been on this and a couple other forums recently, trying to wrap my mind around the idea that a snub .38 is a threat, but all the other tools I bring into someone's house is ok. I mean, if I wanted to harm a family, I wouldn't need a firearm. Just with the tools in my trunk I could subdue a family of 4 and make an armature SAW film. A snub .38 is....nothing. A homeowner wouldn't think twice if they saw me assemble an air-powered nail gun. they might give me a weird look when I duct-tape the barrel safety down, but will certainly bleed when I hold down the trigger and nails come flying out with the speed of a machine gun.

    I just don't get it. You can't trust me to have a snub .38, but your'e going to trust me to make your stair case, your balcony, your new roof? If you can't trust a CCW, law-abiding citizen who's in the military, to properly carry a concealed pistol, how can you trust that you won't get electricuted the first time you turn on the water in your new shower I built? (pretty damn easy to do, for those not familiar)

    It just doesn't follow. I don't understand. I don't get it. It just sounds like paranoia.

    I've asked folks before....ok, I'll except "your house, your rules". No problem. So, what happens when you say "no DeWalt, I hate the color yellow"? Does an animal activist homeowner feel entitled to cancel a contract without penalty when workers show up with leather tool belts?
    The intended use of tools is not to kill or maim, the relevancy being that a firearm is intentionally designed to do harm. A nail gun or any tools was never intended to be a weapon. Which brings up what exactly are you so afraid of that you need a gun to protect yourself from that any of those tools cant save you from? Seriously you just invalidated your own claims for needing a gun on my property since you just claimed to already have tools that could be just as deadly.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The intended use of tools is not to kill or maim, the relevancy being that a firearm is intentionally designed to do harm. A nail gun or any tools was never intended to be a weapon. Which brings up what exactly are you so afraid of that you need a gun to protect yourself from that any of those tools cant save you from? Seriously you just invalidated your own claims for needing a gun on my property since you just claimed to already have tools that could be just as deadly.
    You just invalidated your own claims for needing a gun-free property since you just claimed that I already have tools that could be just as deadly.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What's next? I don't know, curly-Q light-bulbs, maybe.

    Oh wait they already did that one....

    If you folks are so worried about your rights, then stop banning firearms. It's crazy, all you have to do is *choose* to allow firearms and all this legal action goes away. You wouldn't have to worry about future legal action or infringements if you weren't already infringing on others. So if you lose more rights in the long run, poetic justice imo. You got what was coming to you.

    A prudent and reasonable person would cut their losses and allow firearms so as to avoid these long-term ramification you speak of, but I guess since you aren't changing you mind that you don't truly care.
    I have no sign banning anything from my place of business. Well I do have a no smoking sign on gate. And I do choose to let certain people have guns on my property. But the key here is that I have the right choose. You do not have the right to choose what is allowed on my property period. End of story unless you show up and try to use laws to force me to go along woith your wants. Then we have a battle that I intend to win to save mine and your Constitutional right to own private property.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You just invalidated your own claims for needing a gun-free property since you just claimed that I already have tools that could be just as deadly.
    Bwahaha that does not work, trying to copy me without being logical.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Smoking is not comparable to lawful possession of a firearm. I don't know why you would even think to make the comparison. There is no amendment protecting smoking. Smoking can't be used as a form of self defense. I have no idea how I would stop the couple rabid dogs I'v had to shoot in the past, with a cigarette. I have no idea how a tobacco pipe could be used to thwart off an assault from the ex-wife's angry gang-banger boyfriend.

    As I said, if I'm there as a social guest, I would leave. If I'm there as an employee, then the trick is to not get caught.

    So if you want to keep going down the 'it's my house' bumper-sticker sloganeering, fine, it's your house, so just don't ever open it to employees or the public. No problem.

    Jerry the comparison as I see it...a persons home is their castle...you either respect their requests or stay out of it....

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I have no sign banning anything from my place of business. Well I do have a no smoking sign on gate. And I do choose to let certain people have guns on my property. But the key here is that I have the right choose. You do not have the right to choose what is allowed on my property period. End of story unless you show up and try to use laws to force me to go along woith your wants. Then we have a battle that I intend to win to save mine and your Constitutional right to own private property.
    Fine, accepted, now please answer my questions. They were posed in good-faith and I would appreciate honest answers.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Jerry the comparison as I see it...a persons home is their castle...you either respect their requests or stay out of it....
    More sloganeering. I was hoping you would have something of substance to add. I would like to explore the logic under the slogan. Reiterating the slogan doesn't help clarify the slogan.

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